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Banner fixed to short fence, advice please?
Hi there
The customer wants a 2 foot high, 20 foot banner on a 21 inch fence which dips between struts to about 15 inches, so obviously its gonna sag unless I can think of a cost effective way to support the banner evenly.
My first idea is to build a simple frame the exact proportions of the banner and fix it to the iron fence with something like jubilee clips, then attach banner with cable ties.
anyone think of a better way before I start pricing wood and stuff?
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Hi James,
Sorry to put a spanner in the works. Does the customer specifically WANT a banner. A couple of pieces of ali composite may be easier/quicker to fit, more expensive I know but much less hassle/time. It’ll last longer too, maybe.
Just a thought.
Gareth
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I think I might be inclined to fix some uprights to the posts using banding, then put a catenary wire across. Solid panels would be in breach of planning consent.
Or you could fix timber uprights to the thin bars using saddle clips, then put a wooden top rail in place, with a wire or more wood along the bottom. -
Hi Gareth
Ye its a banner he’s asked for, two in fact, and there to read spring sale,
So it’s quite temporary.
He can roll the banners up till Autumn and change from spring lol
He could become a good customer so I want to give him what he’s asking for.
besides i’ve never done a banner yet. 😀
cheers.
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In that case, James, and considering what Peter says about planning – your idea sounds good to me, but, as is the case with this great resource, a couple of hundred (all different) suggestions should be along any time soon…..
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what about a metal cable (cant think if the name of the stuff right now!!) or very heavy duty bungee tie which can clip onto each post on the fence then feed it through the eyelets, or if you are producing it, fix it into the hem when producing? A boat/yacht chandler will have the metal chain..just an idea if its only temp but should be pretty robust and taut.
graeme
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tks Gareth it is a great resource and I appreciate your input.
I was thinking about the solid option myself there until I read Peters post.
I now know what saddle clips are and catenary wire I imagined but didnt know what to call it.
cheers guys.
tell me more! 😎
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James, is the framework to be temporary as well and come down with the banner or are you looking at a more permanent sort of framework that he could say fit another banner to when the Spring Sale one is packed away?
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temporary Martin,
I’ve just spoken to the customer and hes not keen on a frame because of the price of just the banners 🙁
So i think it might have to be two good struts and the catenary wire.
would jubilee clips anchor the struts ok do you think?
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Are the upright rails round?
What about some sort of sleeve be it round or square out of steel tube or even ally with a hole drilled in then tapped so you can screw it in like a grub screw to clamp against the protruding upright. Then have a hole in it and run galvanised cable through it and attach the banner with ‘D’ shackles.
Bottom is easy various methods.Just looked at the pic closer, the uprights look square, you should be able to get steel tube easily to slip over, you could have 2 short uprights each end and long pair closer to the middle. Tap or drill a clearance hole and spot weld a nut on for the bolt.
Tim.
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Cheers Tim
I’m probably missing something but I cant imagine how I could slip a tube over any of the uprights due to the horizontal curve.
could you explaine a bit more.
Apart form that part your idea sounds great.
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I know this garage martin, (never dealt with them though) they have constantly got hi-spec cars in the forecourt. yet they are looking for something on the cheap!
with that in mind, tell them if they want cheap the banner will be a maximum of 21inches tied to the fence using plastic ties and pulled as taught as possible over the length. it "will" sag at bits. but again, using plastic ties, fasten some 2"x2" baton uprights to the fence to take the sag from the rear. you will get a large tub of about 500 ties from B&Q and one length of 2"x2" wooden baton. he wanted cheap. now he has it cheap…
when giving him your quote give him a couple of options and prices.
let him make the final choice, if its the cheap one again, then so be it.
you could chase your tail finding solutions for this and get nothing in return. to get this 100% he will need to be prepared to pay. if hes already huffin and puffin about price of banners your not going to get much more out of him. -
sorry.. foamx board with cable ties and print on it. No messing
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yeh, maybe an idea dave!
europoint do a very cheap unbranded "recycled" 5mm foamex. if possible ide get 10mm but still. 5mm will work.
to be honest, that’s probably a better idea and he still gets his 24inch drop. just an 8×4 cut up the middle. -
Oooh! Robert and Dave!
Read back and Peter has stated there would be a planning issue with solid boards.
Very very good point about the (alleged) ‘cheapskate’ owner though. Cars etc worth tens of thousands on his books and he’s quibbling over the cost of a banner being fitted properly. Tch.
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i did read it mate but i think plastic ties are regarded as temp fixings.
if not then Tying them using a thin rope will do the same job as tying a banner. -
Robert,
Shows how much I know, I thought Peter meant that the presence of solid boards constituted a violation of planning laws, even if they are fixed with chewing gum and/or spittle! 😮 🙄
Not the case then, there you go James – surely a thin foam pvc board with cable ties would be a similar price to (or less than) a banner.
Gareth
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Planning, whats that? lol
I just googled this
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/englan … 64352.htmlSo, albeit I think they are talking about Households but a 1mtr x .3mtr sign saying "Quick Sale" is allowed without consent.
I am bit grey here, although we just do what the customer wants, afterall it is what they want. I guess a banner fits in the same category, its just what information you put on it i guess. Like Winter Sales lol
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im not 100% on it gareth and in many cases the laws on location varies "allot". what i will say though, is that we have supplied a few shops with fence boards. 10mm foamex with basically two or more straps of folded alluminum fixed to the boards only at the top.
in the morning they walk out and hang it on the steel pavement fence, and take it back in at night. that’s the idea anyway… however, i know they leave it out continually but do have some plastic tie straps at the bottom to stop them being pinched. -
quote Robert Lambie:I know this garage martin, (never dealt with them though) they have constantly got hi-spec cars in the forecourt. yet they are looking for something on the cheap!
with that in mind, tell them if they want cheap the banner will be a maximum of 21inches tied to the fence using plastic ties and pulled as taught as possible over the length. it “will” sag at bits. but again, using plastic ties, fasten some 2″x2″ baton uprights to the fence to take the sag from the rear. you will get a large tub of about 500 ties from B&Q and one length of 2″x2″ wooden baton. he wanted cheap. now he has it cheap…
when giving him your quote give him a couple of options and prices.
let him make the final choice, if its the cheap one again, then so be it.
you could chase your tail finding solutions for this and get nothing in return. to get this 100% he will need to be prepared to pay. if hes already huffin and puffin about price of banners your not going to get much more out of him.I agree with what Rob has said 100%
Don’t let them string you along and allow their problem to become your problem. If there’s nothing to attach the banner to it’s their problem not yours.
I would ask them for a test drive in the Mercedes CLK or the convertible BMW – then when you’re finshed tell them you’ve only got a grand to spend – what can they do for you 😕
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I just had a quick check on planning.
They can display advertising on their forecourt under "deemed consent" where they don’t need permission as long as it is within the rules.
The signs must be at ground level and the total of all signs on the forecourt must not exceed 4.5 sq m. The proposed sign is 3.7sq m allowing a further 0.8sq m of other signs. This would take in to account a-boards etc.To be free of ALL planning restraints, a temporary sign must not be displayed for more than 10 days in one year.
Taking this in to account, I think solid panels would suit and be easier (but also prone to breakage on the pavement boundary).
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