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theres quite a variation of wrapping vinyl help please?
Following the couple on ongoing threads I thought I’d ask for a few opinions.
Is liquid laminate an option for wrapping? I’m not really for it for a number of reasons but what are your opinions or is it just a big NO?
Materials – In the process of ruling out grafiwrap unfortunately. We use avery in general and being old and owning slippers, I’m keen to stick with what I know – do they offer a good deal on materials?
I was also a big fan of oracle before they changed the 751 range so would not rule them out – how is there stuff?
I am going to practice with some bits and bobs and go on a course, but I’m keen go on the right course for the material chosen and right now there seem to be to many unknowns to take what is really quite an important decision.
Any info is appreciated.
Many thanks, Gavin
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I find the laminate helps me install better. It also reduces the chance of scratching etc. I’m not sure if liquid laminate is conformable meaning what happens when you stretch the vinyl a bit.
I’d personally advise using the appropriate laminate for the material your using. All the suppliers will advise this also. Maybe you could apply the vinyl then laminate on the car? Might make abit of a mess you have to mask off areas etc.
We’re currently running Avery 1005EZ RS on wraps with DOL 1030 Laminate.
I’m going to try the new Arlon Polymeic soon for partial wraps cause its half the price and we tend to get those customers wanting cheaper alternatives.
It takes practice that’s where a course is good. Even if the course isn’t that great most courses provide enough material for you to play with which would be the same cost of the course. Well it is down here anyways.
I’ve also used the Mactac wrap material. I forget the numbers but I used the bubble free and non bubble free.
I find the bubble free stuff cuts down my install time and lets me deliver a better quality finish. I know it doesn’t improve your skills but for now it will do till I get more time to practice.
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I’ve used liquid lam on a few wraps. Not had any problems.
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quote :Materials – In the process of ruling out grafiwrap unfortunately.in my opinion, this is a damn good wrap mate. ive not read the whole other thread, but ruling it out is a mistake.
Oracal 751 only got better as it changed over to a cast. i.e. 751C
Its the characteristics of a cast that you are obviously not liking. that is its thinner and has a strong initial grab etcIve tried most of the wrap materials on the go and they all vary in characteristics. some you will hate, some love, whilst some you find easy to work with fail for various reasons. it comes down to experience and finding what is best for you.
Many use liquid laminates. some swear by them, others don’t. personally, i say use equivalent laminates for wrap vinyls. by that i mean specified two part systems. a good example of this is "Grafiwrap"
remember, using a vinyl laminate will heavily assist you in wrapping your vehicle. it makes the job much more manageable. not forgetting your giving your prints the ultimate protection against UV, chemical and abrasion damage. -
quote Gavin MacMillan:I was also a big fan of oracle before they changed the 751 range so would not rule them out – how is there stuff?I’m with Gavin here. I much preferred the older Calendered 751 vinyl to the Cast 751. So much so that I now buy 551 series vinyl as I’m told it is the same as the old Calendered 751.
In who’s opinion is it better? Oracal may claim this is the case, but in my practical experience as a signmaker the calendered version was easier to work with and as a result gave better results in general use. I’m sure cast vinyl is better when applying over rivets – but how often do you need a vinyl that is good for applying over rivets?
I’m sorry Rob but I’m not swallowing it. I reckon Oracal changed the spec of 751 not to provide us with a better vinyl at the same price, but probably because they had found a cheaper production method
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Cast vs Calendared vinyl for wrapping. It’s been argued a fair bit. But if your doing bumpers, motorbikes etc your going to have a really hard time with a calendared film. I’m not saying its not possible but it isn’t going to be the easiest thing.
If your going to do a partial wrap or wrap box trucks that’s a different story.
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Didn’t mean to start a new 751/751c debate – I don’t like working with it and that’s what the decision was based on – it may last a bit longer or mould slighty easier (751 was amazing at moulding anyway!) but it’s not as user friendly. Also 551 is a 5-7 year film where the 751 was a 7year – so it wasn’t a straight swap. Also out of interest no-one tried to sell us 551 at the time or infact told us of the change over till I noticed the different material coming in, not exactly great customer service! Anyhoo….
I’m keen on grafiwrap and was my first choice until reading the recent thread – we don’t have the equipment to use it and this is why it is very close to being ruled out entirely – I am going to request a sample to have a play with but from what I’ve read it’s the wrong choice for us.
Thanks for the feedback, any more much appreciated
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