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    Posted by Derek Heron on 31 May 2007 at 11:00

    hi all

    i have an inquiry for some high vis vests
    i normally have them screen printed
    but customer wants some with individual names on etc only about 5 or 6
    but all different
    what would be my best option vinyl or stencil any help appreciated.
    derek

    Ian Bingham replied 18 years, 4 months ago 6 Members · 21 Replies
  • 21 Replies
  • Steve Underhill

    Member
    31 May 2007 at 11:53

    Dye sub, without question.
    takes extremely well and is protected against rubbing off etc as its dyed into the vest.

  • Frank Horner

    Member
    31 May 2007 at 11:59

    Hi,

    for individual names etc. I would suggest the cuttable garment film, I have done quite a few Hi-Vi’s with good results, if you have a heat press or access to one I would go that route. Most vinyl suppliers are now supplying films of some sort.
    If you want more details you are welcome to PM me.

    Frank

  • Steve Underhill

    Member
    31 May 2007 at 12:11

    With dye sub you will get all the names on one sheet, and no weeding.
    If you want to save time & money dye sub, if you don’t mind weeding and pressing vinyl then go with flex.
    I had 30 hi viz vests to do once and if I had used flex it would have taken a couple of hours maybe, with cutting weeding and pressing dye subbing them took half an hour.
    If its only 6 then you wont waste much time with it whatever you choose.

  • Peter Mindham

    Member
    31 May 2007 at 16:58

    I agree with Steve. Dye Sub all the way.
    Peter

  • Ian Bingham

    Member
    31 May 2007 at 21:30

    hi we sell 100’s and have always used xpress ultra cut
    never thought about sublimation
    tell me more might save me some time
    ian

  • Steve Underhill

    Member
    31 May 2007 at 21:46

    Basically hi viz vests are 100% polyester, so its the perfect substrate for taking dye sub prints, they come out crisp as you like and wont fade wear off or wash out.
    the time saved is unbelievable compared to plotting weeding and pressing flex, if you like send me a logo or some type Ill post you a sheet of dye sub stuff up and see for yourself, you obviously have a heat press so will be able to test it out see if you like it.

  • Ian Bingham

    Member
    31 May 2007 at 22:01

    cheers Steve
    what would be the cheapest way to do it, we do a lot of just black text name only stuff

  • Steve Underhill

    Member
    31 May 2007 at 22:08

    well if its repeat business you have and do a lot of vests, it would be worth investing in dye sub gear, if the names are 290mm ish long or less all you need is a D88 A4 printer or similar, if longer then a 1290 R1800 or 2400 but the A3 printers come at a price, in that ascending order.
    All in you could get setup with 4 ink setup and an A4 printer for probably £250 ish
    Like I said I can send you up a sample if you like,
    all you do is cut with scissors and apply for 50 seconds at 200 degrees, that’s it.
    no re pressing, no weeding, no cutting out on plotter.

  • Ian Bingham

    Member
    31 May 2007 at 22:13

    last year i got some samples from xpress but never thought of using on hi vis
    fedup of buying new equipment, its cost me about 20 per print in ultra cut and a 10 second print time, how does that compare to sublimation, like the idea of no weeding
    ian

  • Steve Underhill

    Member
    31 May 2007 at 22:24

    20 pence per print or 20 quid per print run?
    you must be getting a lot of names out of it per metre if its 20p each.
    Also ultra cut is the hardest of the flex materials to weed so weeding time is increased, I would use super flex on hi viz rather than this, unless they are constantly lying on tarmac or something that’s going to damage it more than normal wear.

    barring the cost of setting up in dye sub, I would say the cost of 1 dye sub print on a high viz vest including paper and ink would be about 7 or 8 pence depending on the ink used, I don’t use the artanium UV
    "sawgrass have the monopoly" expensive stuff at £60 a bottle so my prints are cheaper but even with artanium you’d only be looking at probably 10p per print tops

  • Ian Bingham

    Member
    31 May 2007 at 22:34

    yep we can get 25-30 per mtr from ultra some times a bit more if i push it
    only use ultra because we can do really fine detail when needed, did 120 today with text of 6mm height, wasnt too bad to weed so the girls tell me
    will look at sublimation though
    thanks for the advise
    ian

  • Steve Underhill

    Member
    31 May 2007 at 22:38

    well 6mm text high with dye sub would probably cost you about a penny a print or less then, I was envisaging a name the length of A4 about 2" high, if you had that many names on a sheet it would be so much cheaper to dye sub it without a doubt.

  • Ian Bingham

    Member
    31 May 2007 at 22:42

    no high vis is about 40mm high text
    the 6mm were for some t shirts for a party

  • Steve Underhill

    Member
    31 May 2007 at 22:47

    In that case 40mm high and A4 width I would say 10p per sheet then not print if its only black , seriously dye sub ink lasts ages.
    I haven’t bought any more since I first got mine and Im just about on the 2nd set of inks in 18 months and that’s a lot of usage.

  • Ian Bingham

    Member
    31 May 2007 at 22:52

    Cheers thanks for that

  • Barbara Eden

    Member
    1 June 2007 at 00:06

    Steve, don’t forget that Ultracut is about 18" wide – a bit more than A4 🙂 🙂
    But Ian, I thought you had to press Ultra at 170 for 20 sec’s?

    Muck or Nettles really isn’t it-when you think of set-up costs. But I don’t regret going into sublimation-just wish I’d got a bigger set up!!! 🙂 🙂

    Babs

  • Peter Mindham

    Member
    1 June 2007 at 05:40

    But I don’t regret going into sublimation-just wish I’d got a bigger set up!!! 🙂 🙂

    Babs[/quote]

    Me Too. A4 way too small once you see the possibilities. Anyone want to buy my A4 setup? 😀

    Peter

  • Ian Bingham

    Member
    1 June 2007 at 07:09
    quote Barbara Eden:

    Steve, don’t forget that Ultracut is about 18″ wide – a bit more than A4 🙂 🙂
    But Ian, I thought you had to press Ultra at 170 for 20 sec’s?

    Muck or Nettles really isn’t it-when you think of set-up costs. But I don’t regret going into sublimation-just wish I’d got a bigger set up!!! 🙂 🙂

    Babs

    180 degrees 10 seconds is fine for high vis
    not one fallen off yet

  • Pat Byrne

    Member
    1 June 2007 at 07:38

    I agree with Peter, a bigger set up would open up a lot more possibilities.
    When switching from dye sub on hi-viz to cut films, how do you guys prevent the press picking up and transferring the residue from the fluorescent colour. I’ve found that unless I use a sheet of paper top and bottom all tees will have a ghosting of yellow. I have some teflon sheets and was wondering that if I was to use them, will they pick up the yellow residue ?. Would like to hear how you get over this problem
    Thanks
    Pat

  • Ian Bingham

    Member
    1 June 2007 at 08:37

    Teflon sheets do pic up a little but just wipe them down with a damp cloth and good as new

  • Ian Bingham

    Member
    1 June 2007 at 08:39

    also clean heat press down with damp clothe when its at its hottest
    Obviously WEAR PROTECTIVE CLOTHS!

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