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Pricing advice
Hi all i really need a second opinion on this one
I know its all down to over heads etc etc, but if you could have a read through this i would be gratefulThis is for a construction site which is approx 39 meters long, this will be fitted to there hoarding in the form of sheets
some digital print and the rest is just cut text in large letters so easy to weedI will apply all the sheets in workshop and fit on site
i have given the choice of correx of foam and the sheets are going to be 8×4 s cut to correct size of 7 feet x 4 by supplierSo as follows working on vinyl cut and weeded for £25 per meter
19 sheets of 4mm black correx fluted sheet material £370.50
Or 19 sheets of 3mm black foam board sheet material £855.00
Full colour printed logos as per design £280.00 including laminating
Vinyl for complete 39 meters £370.00
Labour for cutting vinyls and application to face of cut boards £530
Labour to fit on site £380.00 for 2 fitters including all fittings and drills and black screw head covers
Price one £1930.50Price two £2415.00
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46 Replies
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I’m not sure about the price Rich – but I would have some concern about fitting 3mm black Foamboard sheeting to a hoarding. This stuff is guaranteed to warp – make sure your client is made well aware of this to avoid any comeback on you.
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good point Phil
didn’t think of that as its only a temp type sign but yes i would like it to look nice, as you may know i hate the stuffhow about the 4mm fluted board would this be better
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I’m not sure how well the fluted board will stand up to direct sunlight – probably a lot better than foamboard I suspect but check with suppliers.
If I was doing it, I would paint plywood sheets using matt black paint. Or paint the hoarding itself and apply the vinyls/prints on site.
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I presume the hoarding will be ply? so forget about the corex or foamex,
roll paint with outdoor black paint, and apply direct?Peter
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quote Peter Normington:I presume the hoarding will be ply? so forget about the corex or foamex,
roll paint with outdoor black paint, and apply direct?Peter
i have to admit, that was my first thought, i’m sure that would be peferable to using 3mm foamex (or correx).
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My concern apart from warping how long would fomex/correx stay looking black in direct or even indirectly sun light ???? sorry Rich didn’t look at the price so can’t comment on that.
Lynn
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ok i see what your saying
this will be up until july this year and i cant go directly to hoarding it must be on to a sheet material we are only allowed to fix to hoarding and going on the type of ply they use it wont be that smoothany other ideas, would be nice to fit black gloss dibond
rich
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banner ???
Lynn
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No banners !!
i have worked for this customer and he has a pet hate for banners
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What about black banners? Screwed in and text applied may be better.
That said there are many sites in Nottingham that use foamex for this kind of job, and it is as you said only a temp fixture. -
Karl i think it would be fine but as i dont use this stuff its got me thinking
this is going to be fixed through the face and i could make the holes in the sheet larger than the screw to help with expansion and contraction
whats better guys foam or correx
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Hi Richard
As already stated I think you may have a problem with both foamboard (warping) and correx (appearance).
Unless I’ve missed something not sure why you don’t go with Di-bond is it just the cost?
Cheers. Nick.
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I’d say foamex then. If you’re concerned about warping put some no-nails on the back to help it. Just an idea.
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nick its cost i would use dibond given the choice but didnt want to price this to high
rich
whats an 8 x 4 of black dibond of the top of your head
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I’d go for correx Rich as it’s only needed until July.
Trouble with site hoardings are the majority aren’t painted well and I don’t know if you’ve ever applied vinyls to poorly painted ply but it is a pain in the backside.
I think foam or banners would be overkill for 3 or 4 months.
Neil
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quote KARL WILLIAMS:I’d say foamex then. If you’re concerned about warping put some no-nails on the back to help it. Just an idea.
i might be wrong Carl, but i was always told to ‘hang’ foamex, ie make the holes bigger than the fixings, so as to allow it to expand and contract with no resistance,
no nailing it solid to the hoarding would fly in the face of advice i’ve always believed to be true !
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Rich, i think dibond, single faced gloss black, is around £60-70 a sheet at a guess, if you’re buying in bulk i’d expect a good discount off of that too !
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Hugh it can work using this method, we did this some time ago bonded a sheet to ply still looks great today, we did cover the ply with a contact glue and put it on with a tilers trowel so all the ribs of glue were even
rich
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I had this exact dilemma myself last summer. A builder asked me to price a hoarding done with black backing boards. I advised against using Foamboard and suggested dibond instead. He went ahead and got the job done by someone else using foamboard.:cry:
I drove past it recently and couldn’t help but smile when I saw the state of it (badly rippled). Dibond is probably doing to be too expensive so if I was in the same situation again I would suggest painted plywood.
But if you do decide to use foamboard – make sure he’s aware of the issues 😀
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thanks for price Hugh. I was just about to email a quote over to my customer as i said it would be with him in the morning, however i think i will price another suggestion giving him the options
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Amari do a board called 1 bond or 3 bond. About 43 quid a sheet.
As for the idea of no-nails, yeah I agree, probably a crap idea but as a temp job and cost effectiveness it should do the trick. -
thanks for the advice Phil,do you think is will look that bad ??
i would think putting vinyl on to painted ply would look poor and as for undercoating and painting the ply it would work out cheaper using £60-£70 a sheet of dibond. I always think the vinyl takes on the grain of the ply
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Hi Karl
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It’s nearly identical to diabond. I’ve use a few sheets and to be honest I cant see a difference. They buy it in cheap from china. Might be the same guy who makes the rabbit cutters 😀
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I wouldn’t bother with an undercoat – One, maybe two coats of blackboard paint (matt black) should do the trick – Yes you will see the grain – but it will look a lot better than warped panels IMO.
Whatever you decide – go over all the issues with him so he knows what he’s getting.
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Hugh
use foam flood do a deal on gloss black sheets, i’ve seen it used as standard on building site hoardings in all colors. There is a development down the road from me gloss black with digi pics & blue vinyl text. Yes it warps but i think the development expects it & lives with it. Give the man 2 prices & i bet he will go with the foam. Have a look at local development sites i’m sure it will be 5mm foam. If the budget will allow it maybe use 10mm foam but then you would have to flood coat. Most hoarding companies won’t appreciate you using no nails as quite a few of them reuse boards.Kev
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Rich,
ignore the rest, if you must use black substrata, use 5mm foamex
for short term it is fine, use screws or them plastic thing from cherwell to fix to the ply. If you are concerned about expansion, fix the top edge, only using slightly over sized holes, and at the bottom use a 20mm strip off 5mm foam with a 30mm strip screwed on top to form a groove,Peter
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No Rich – Do it my way – I’m right 😛
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Phils always right, but so am i
confusing or what?
Seriously, for short term, and fixed to allow for heat expansion, foamex will do the job, and at about a third of the cost of composite, make sure you do by a good make of foamex though, they do vary.
Peter
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correx (euroflute from europoint) seems to be getting a bad name here. This is very, very durable, I’m sure you can get black up to 6mm or 7mm, the other option is to flood coat the 11mm white corex. I use this at many SPL football ground in Scotland and it looks great for a full year never mind until July. foamexl is a def no no IMO for the reasons others have mentioned. I would shop around and see if you can get it anywhere thicker than 6mm. My local cricket club was using foamex for the past few years and the signs were in a right nick, Im doing the work for them this year and am using 11mm corex, the signs look great if I say so myself and with 751 vinyl applied these will last a good 2 seasons easy, they will be waterproof and will stand up to the ball etc thumping them, oh and I forgot its very cheap too 🙂
regards,
graemeps – Just checked and black 6mm Euroflute is £9.78 per sheet with europoint
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I would never give correx a bad name it is excellent for sign boards 813 x 610 must admit never really tried it bigger, and never used any other colours apart from white or yellow, short term it’s a sign makers dream, cheap to buy cheap to apply for short runs, you wouldn’t want to do hundreds 🙄 I would get so bored, but small runs not too bad and keeps all my builders plumbers etc. happy
Lynn
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Hi Rich
Confusing this but I’m right as well!! 😉
Correx will last and do the job but we have found most Building Co’s are very fussy about signage on new developments and they do not like the look of Correx close up.
We have a lot of building site hoardings down here at the moment. The best by far have used DiBond – if you want a pic I’ll take one and send it on to you.
Hope that helps.
Nick.
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We have supplied quite a few 3mm foam panels to a local woodworking firm over the years and they total coverage Evo-Stick them to bare ply. Some of them have been up for quite a few years now and, whilst the coloured ones are fading a little bit, they are all in good condition and showing no signs of rippling or any other mechanical deterioration whatsoever.
That’s the method I would use, and have no worries about it lasting until July next year, never mind 2007.
I certainly wouldn’t screw them up though.
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thanks all for your help. I have given a new quote using 5mm in black foam
so we will see
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What about………
Evo along the middle and a timber rail that is rebated fixed top and bottom.
I have done this on smaller boards where clients want cheap the foamex can then expand and contract as it’s just held under the rebate like a frame.Just another idea.
Tim.
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Use the dibond copy, if you haggle you should be able to get it in white for £38 a sheet flood in cheap black vinyl, £6, total per sheet, £44, cheaper than your 3mm foam and on dibond which if clever you could offer to remove and then reuse the other side????
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Good idea archie but sod flood coating 19 8×4 sheets ! 😀
The main problem I see with this job is the fact that the client wants a black background, which means it’ll get hot whatever substrate you use.
Anyway Rich I’d go with Peters suggestion of fixing at the top and fabricating a basic channel at the bottom. I’d run a bead of silicon behind the edges of each panel to stop the wind getting under them for good measure. ( should be flexible enough to allow for small movement. – leave a couple of mm between each panel ! )
I’m sure sticking with evostick impact or the like would work but you might get half of South London high with fumes in the process 😀 😀 😀 -
Thanks all
i could think of a much better way to spend my time as well flood coating 8 x 4’swill post some pics when finishedif we get the job
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Rich
where are you based, i’ve got an ezytaper sitting here do it a lot quicker than by handKev
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hi kevin
thanks for the offer mate i’m going to use 5mm black foamthanks mate
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Rich
i might be wrong but don’t colors only come in 3mm thick?Kev
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10mm Forex Smart…then roll the whole lot (?)
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No question, use Dibond/Alubond then you can sleep at night, if you like insist you remove it and re-use. Job done!
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coincidence, but today I relocated some 5mm black foamex letters that were screwed to a cladded building by me 4 years ago, OK only about 2 foot high, and the foamex was used as the background and outline to dark red vinyl.
No signs of warping or fading, though.
Peter
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Andrew thanks for your input but as i said im now going to use 5mm foam, as for sleep at night i really think it would be overkill using dibond although i agree it would look great. Its only for a few months. I have seen the hording this is going to be fitted to and is not the best.
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Kev i got a price from signtrade and amari both quoted 5mm
however cherwells only have 3mmrich
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Rich europoint do 5mm as well so it says
Lynn
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