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Help with sign installation?
Hi all, Ive got a problem, a customer wants a small sign applying to her wall outside as you enter the premises, not a problem you might think, but the owner of the premises does not want anyone drilling into the rendering, its not going into a frame as she wants to keep the cost down, and I’m only using foamex, thought about no nails glue but not sure. If anyone can come up with any ideas it would be much appreciated. Thanks Tony.
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49 Replies
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I have used this method before with great success but be warned if it ever has to come down it leaves a concrete like residue that is worse to repair than drill holes in render!!!!
George
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what about silicon sealant….(window stuff)
clear , and removable with fluid if needed later….
SD
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Silicon is the way to go like SD said.
I know, through trial and error that silicon will melt some corflutes so I’d test a bit of this Foamex stuff beforehand. I don’t use it so I can’t tell.
Cheers.
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Silicon sealent, do I apply this to the back of the foamex like I would do with the no nails?
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yep , thats very true , unsure what materials are good for silicon…
You may be able to cover the back of the sign first , with something less corrosive…..
Maybe mount (screw) it on a bit of thin ply or something , then silicon away (wood to brick)
or the white / brown bathroom sealant could be an option , brown is better in the weather , white is a bit naff around water if its not silicon based…
SD
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silicon :
squirt it on , just like no nails , you can get it in the same shape tubes….
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Cheers SD,
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do not use bathroom sealant !!!! it doesnt set properly like a proper silicone sealant,
go to a builder merchant and explain what you want, they’ll be able to tell you the best to use,
gripfill would be the best, but it is a bugger to get off, so get a high modulus silicone, the sign will have to be supported while the goo goes off, which could take a day easy if you’re expecting it to hold up a sign.
just mho !
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With foamex tending to warp …… is it still ok to fix this way … what about expansion with heat etc??
Just wondering …. I assume that this way is ok when fitting quite small signs?
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i never thought to ask the size ! on a large sign, say 4x5ft, i guess it could be a prob, but something say…1ft x 2ft shouldnt be a problem,
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I am sure someone who puts cladding on walls for a living once told me over a period of time products like look no nails go brittle and they used a silicon based adhesive.
Or maybe I was just dreaming – well it is nearly midnight
Mike
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No Nails: Foamex doesn’t like it
With all that moving because of expansion it makes it a bit risky in my book
John
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i recon the main problem you will have with any sign fixed using a liquid is when you position it and walk away. it will slide off, move etc
if its 5ft up lean a post against wall under it & sit sign on it. once in position and adhesive on rear using basking tape to hold it from falling forward or anything like that. when using the liquid put it on in thick blobs if on a rough wall then press sign on and it will self level. -
If i may just add a comment to Rob & John’s post: it is all right using no nails for small foamboard signs, approx 2′ x 18″ so long as you rough up the back of the board with a stanley knife or screwdriver in a criss cross type of pattern.
This will then give no nails something to grab hold of.
I have a 18″ x 18″ sign on a rough wall outside a solicitors which has been up 3 years now, no problem.I have had to take one down & replace with a bigger sign where i had to chisel the board off & it took off a layer of the brick surface which was still attached to the sign, so i think it’s all down to keying the rear surface well enough.
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How about that Solvite stuff !!!!!
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Yeh
You could stick a man to the wall and just get him to hold the sign 😀
paul r
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We’ve used Gripfill to stick a foamex board before. Sign been up for 2 years now no problems. Couldn’t say what’ll it’ll be like underneath if they wanted the sign removed though!
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The owner of the building is adamant now that no type of glue can be applied to the rendering. I think its something to do with 3 women running 3 different types of business in one building, gets a bit bitchy sometimes if you know what I mean, last time I was there they were arguing over a small panatrim frame that was already on the wall, anyway the winner gets her sign fitted in it on Thursday. Thanks for all your advice Tony.
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why not up your sale, offer to put a post in the “ground” near the doorway and using chanel and clips on the rear of dibond or something. create 3 seperate signs and fix to post. when one leaves, you just unclip the sign. if more use the building its as easy to add and so on. no wall fixing etc and keeps everyone happy. you of course make much more from the sale.
this wouldnt necessarily be expensive for them as they could all chip in at once for the sign so cost split 3 or four ways if lanadlord likes the idea.just a thought 😕 :lol1:
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Seems like you have the impossible problem to solve then, no glue, no drilling, all that leaves is kinetic applied force, I think B & Q ran out of stock recently, so I am not sure what to suggest! Maybe a ferrous metal sign with a bloomin great magnet on the other side of the wall 😉
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what about a blimp hovering about the building? 😮
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what about leaving it for some other idiot & get on with other paying work.
L J -
What about projecting the image onto the wall?
Were not helping are we?
John
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I know you can get “Holographic Vinyl”, maybe you can get a sign off the same people.
Iain
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You could hire Spinney the spider to spin a web and then you could spray the letters in. Its workable and cheap as you pay the spider in flys
Little John
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nice to see you back on form
‘Little John’Lynn
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That’s what i like about little john Lynn, full of useless information at this time of night.
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L j only this time of nite 😛 and it’s not even friday :lol1:
Lynn
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yer well i can’t take anymore I’m off to bed,
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I’m with Lj… or just tell them it has to be drilled, but use the smallest drill bit.. 4mm i think it is..
Simon
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Some customers can be a little “trying” but this one really takes the biscuit!
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How on earth are you going to fit a sign with no glue, fixings etc…………………….sheer will power?
I think the customer needs a reality check!!!
Ill be interested to know how you solve this sticky problem :lol1: -
Heavy duty velcro tabs.
Little spot of superglue behind each one.
Then leave the country!! 😀
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quote L.J.:what about leaving it for some other idiot & get on with other paying work.
L Ja lot of good advice here, but this is my pick!
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that’s a very good point…..
they have hired you to make a sign , maybe best way is to just give it to them !!!
SD
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Shanes post:
quote :L.J. wrote:
what about leaving it for some other idiot & get on with other paying work.
L Ja lot of good advice here, but this is my pick!
You didn’t like my spinney the spider suggestion then
John
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Why dont they just have an A-board …. free standing, no fixings, no glue!!
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quote johnalphasign:Shanes post:quote :L.J. wrote:
what about leaving it for some other idiot & get on with other paying work.
L Ja lot of good advice here, but this is my pick!
You didn’t like my spinney the spider suggestion then
John
excellent suggestion mate, but LJ’s was more on my wave length. But hey, the spider thing just may work… worth a try I guess. :lol1:
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Carrie said:
quote :Why dont they just have an A-board …. free standing, no fixings, no glue!!Cos that’s just too simple and it takes the fun out wracking our brains :lol1:
Little John
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No pavement sign, coz they only want to spent £7.00 on a bit of fomex..lol
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Ok so no pavement signs, no screws, no nails, no glue, no gooey sticky stuff ………….. what about blue tack??
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Hows about using 2 bits of fishing wire through holes in the top of the sign and tied to the gutter of the building so it hangs down lol 😀
Rob
PS I LOVE the Spinney the spider idea John :lol1:
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nip round one dark night and spay some graffiti on the wall (just enough for the sign to cover) , then wait for a phone call !
sorry , its just so tempting to be funny about it when the good ideas have all ran out !!!
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Just stick it on with vhb tape. I stuck a dibond panel to brick with vhb tape and it stuck a dream
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Nice thought Rob, its another option I suppose.
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Gypsy, you vandal.
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Carrie, one of them has an a-board on the pavement, supplied by me of course, lot of interesting suggestions, and funny ones, especially the spider nice one.
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Watch out for that Spinney, he is a cowboy.
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love….Jill
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Call David Copperfield, he is great at levitation. -
You could paint it on the wall or stencil if you like. 😎
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