-
Football Pitch Advertising Signs
Hi,
We have been asked to supply up to 40, 3 ft by 5 ft Foamex signs ( he actually asked for foamex ) , for advertising at the side of an (outdoor) football pitch.
Q’s:
1) What should we use? From reading the boards foamalux etc. are not too good for outdoor use.
2) Who is a good / cheap supplier for your answer to question 1 !
3) He has asked that he can remove the vinyl after a season, and replace
with new advertising. Would the technique to do this be similar to removing on a van? What if it is all overlaminated ?4) What would you guys from the UK charge for these?, and/ or what would you consider a reasonable proffit margin for this job ( we arent doing the fitting, just the making…)
Danny
-
19 Replies
-
First of all, if they insist on foamex make sure it is 10mm thick. A football hitting 5mm will break it no problem, especially on a cold day. If you are going to use 10mm foamex you may as well use an aluminium composite sheet like dibond as the prices are about the same. It’s much stronger. Also, removing graphics from foamex after a year will leave a visible trace of the graphics behind. Even though it is a closed cell material it does tend to ‘absorb’ muck and even white will discolour/yellow after a year in the sun.
Suppliers…..Amari, Europoint.
-
Personally if he’s asked for foamboard, I’d supply him with a quote for foamboard, but make him aware that its going to get very dirty by the end of the season and its not just a case of strip it and apply new vinyl. You’d probably need to be charging him as much again just to clean the damn things.
Supplier wise, I use Europoint Display for foamboards, mainly because I buy all my vinyls from them but it is well priced as well, especially on 14 sheets of 10×5, which I’m assuming you’d be using.
As I say, stripping them off isn’t really the issue, its more the amount of dirt that will hold in the surface of the foamboard unless you go for the more expensive gloss faced foamboard. White spirits, soap & water and one hell of a lot of elbow grease and you’ll have them looking something like. Humble opinion, I’d charge him enough to be able to replace the sheets with new, save yourself loads of work and use the original boards for making smaller flood coated signs at a later date for someone else. Just the way I’d do it.
Price would depend on how many colours and how complicated the design was, but somewhere between £35 – £60, 5% discount if the order was paid for in advance. Closest job I’ve had was 8ftx2ft flooded coated with basic text and some weirdo logos on them, I charged £70 each for a couple of dozen.
Hope this helps a bit 😀
Cheers, Dewi
Edit: Hadn’t considered the ball hitting them 😳 I’d have quoted for 5mm, but as Big G says, 10mm may be a better option. Increases the price quite a bit though 😕 He’s quite clever that Southerner ain’t he, thinks of everything! 😀
-
quote Kate:Hi,We have been asked to supply up to 40, 3 ft by 5 ft Foamex signs ( he actually asked for foamex ) , for advertising at the side of an (outdoor) football pitch.
Q’s:
1) What should we use? From reading the boards foamalux etc. are not too good for outdoor use.
2) Who is a good / cheap supplier for your answer to question 1 !
3) He has asked that he can remove the vinyl after a season, and replace
with new advertising. Would the technique to do this be similar to removing on a van? What if it is all overlaminated ?4) What would you guys from the UK charge for these?, and/ or what would you consider a reasonable proffit margin for this job ( we arent doing the fitting, just the making…)
Danny
I do the advertising boards for two local football clubs, it’s a competitive
market. Local clubs are happy to use foamex to keep the cost down
although 5/6mm is liable to shatter when hit with the ball.
I use a 10mm Excell foam board from Amari Plastics it has an smooth
finish on it perfect for football boards.
2500 x 610 boards in 2 colour simple artwork I charge around £100 exc
each. Depends what you pay for the board though as to what to charge. As regards removing the vinyl after one season tell him to do it
himself, unbelievable force economy, what is it with these people!!
Also in my opinion they are the worst payers, try to get some money
up front and rest on completion.
Good Luck.
Martin -
this is our main area of business (selling the advertising and producing signs at football clubs) and in my previous job I was responsible for bank of scotlands sponsorship of the SPL in scotland which meant placing 4 boards at every ground in scotland. DO NOT USE FOAM X !!!!!! I had so many hassles replacing boards again and again, arguing over who was responsible etc etc.
10 or 12mm plywood is best, very durable and lasts for usually 2 seasons no problem.
this is also the cheapest (for you to produce too 🙂 ) , the board gets so much abuse over a season be it players kicking them, the ball hitting them, kids booting them etc, not to mention the wind getting hold of them.
Just my tuppence worth 🙂
graeme
-
hi,
imo foam is to brittle either for a ball or match fans…. 😕we do a lot of this work and use dibond/aluminium sheets…
we advise the grounds to use standard sizes like 8x2ft, 16x2ft as we get better yield from sheets 😉by all means quote for foam, but like the guys said you need to make the customer aware of what they’re getting for their money… they can buy the foam and replace it regularly or go the extra few quid and use dibond etc….and save money in the long run…
oh and if your dealing with a club get the deal down on paper and arrange payment on delivery, 🙁 learned this the hard way…. you cant seem to find the treasurer afterwards,
also be sure the guy ordering the stuff has the authority to do so 😉good luck 😀
-
maybe a stupid question why not use banners or banner material 😮
Lynn
-
quote smedia:a
10 or 12mm plywood is best, very durablei agree totally, i used to do all the ice-hockey signage around scotland (embassey tobacco) in the days of cigarette ads…with the same material painted and had to use anti-glaring paint for the cameras 😀
nik
-
NNNNNNNNNot to be done
Bad experience football grounds ince rinks etc, put them on the walls put them on the halls put them round the ice put them in the ice, no joy plenty grief, dddd dont do it ?
Cash up front they dont pay, cant pay, wont pay, complain like s**t
Dont wnt to know
Regards Adrian
-
12′ x 2′ exterior MDF sealed with pva glue coated in white vinyl
proofs signed for
money up front
not that bad really
just my opinion
George
-
quote signco:Cash up front they dont pay, cant pay, wont pay, complain like s**t
never had any bother 😛 maybe because i was dealing with the guy from embassey tobacco 😀 i enjoyed doing those signs 😛
nik
-
Have done lots of these over the years. 3mm dibond is the job and if it has to be replaced we always use new dibond. Will not entertain the idea of stripping down panels. We usually charge the advertiser directly. That way they can claim back the vat. The sports people then charge the advertiser a yearly rental. Has always worked for us with no late payment issues
-
While its good you want to use this more expensive material the most economic option would be 10mm Correx or equivelent, its done in 8 x 4 or 3000 x 762 for exactly that purpose , and also Site boards.
Very lightweight and very strong , depends what quality you want to achieve.
All the best(mod-edit) admin@uksignboards.com
-
Not familiar with Euroflute, where can I find out more.
alan -
Kate, if they do want foamex and your going to use 10mm, if you can talk them into having a matt finish, tell them they can turn the boards around and have text applied after the first season.As long as they are kept scratch and dent free, they may take this into consideration.
-
quote Cammy:10mm Euroflute , its done in 8 x 4 or 3000 x 762 for exactly that purpose , and also Site boards.
Very lightweight and very strongyes i have to agree, i use them for rugby boards 😀
hey at last cameron….. 😀 nice piccie 😉
nik
-
I’ve just been asked to supply some pitch boards, and after reading these posts I suggested to the customer to have plywood instead of foamex. They currently have 5mm foamex signs, which haven’t caused any problems to them but I have spotted some with a couple of chunks missing!
Cost is an issue (as always) so dibond won’t be an option. I have also been told by supplier that 10mm foamex would do the job okay. However, plywood is cheaper and cutting to size etc will not be a problem for me as hubby is a chippy.
They said that they had plywood boards a couple of years ago, but the paint peeled off and they were a nightmare to keep clean. But they will still use them if I think that’ll be the best option.
What’s the best way to prep them? Do you paint them with normal white gloss, and seal the edges with pva glue? How many coats do they need? Is it a lot of hassle?!
Many thanks
Ali
-
When I used to do pubs we used birch ply ½” thick – we gave the face 1 primer – 1 undercoat – 1 undercoat/gloss mix and 1 gloss, the back was the same but the undercoat/gloss mix left out. The paint finish we got was almost mirror like but they still needed doing after 5 years especially if the signs were directly in the sun. A bit over the top for pitch signs I know – Far Eastern ply will do and 3 coats of paint but even this won’t work out cheap by the time painting labour costs are put into the mix.
Regards
Alan -
I agree with Alan……. by the time you allow for painting labour, the price is going to start getting quite high for the supply of painted timber boards.
Our local footie pitch uses 10mm foamex …. I suppose most materials will get damaged around a footie pitch one way or another no matter what you use.
😀
-
hi. You could use a 3yr grey backed self adhesive vinyl for the graphics. You can cover the old graphic with the new and the grey backing won’t let the previous graphics show through. Paint it over with a liquid laminate for more protection if you think it’s necessary. Atech supply these things.
Log in to reply.