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pavement signage: envy
These were made up out of stainless steel for me. The display is 1500 x 1000mm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To be honest l think that they are a bit on the large size but l’m not bothered, the customer is a good client of mine and he’ll have new boards for different promotions in the future. More work for me.
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Looks good and chunky. The wheels are a good idea, must weigh a bit.
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excellent looking stuff, did you do the design or did the customer have an input, where did the images come from??
sorry i’m a bit nosey!!
stephen
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There some size wow…….. good stuff,
I think my local council would have something to say about themSimon
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billy, the signs look great!
your like me. always worrying about it from the pros side of the fence.. :Lola1: :lol1: (who said we are pro’s?) 😮
anyway, if thats what the customer wants, you did will on the return. 😀
like you said, keep him sweet, you will get repeat custom. 😀constructive criticism:
the casters are a little large, i think if you could come up with a smaller type platform and smaller or hidden casters your onto a winner. thanks for taking the time to post your work mate. i am sure your company will go places… well done 😉p.s. will pm you shortly in reply to your last mate.. sorry for delay.. been feeling bad this weather. 🙁 😀
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i think it is fine, as far as legality comes in, it will vary very mush on location/council.
having said that, thwy are normaly parts.. 😕 😀 -
I like the prints and I always like anything big, but I’d agree with Outline on the fact that the sign isn’t all about the print. The frames, although sturdy looking, do look a bit unfinished. Nothing that a coat of paint and a couple of end caps wouldn’t sort though 😀 Not meaning to be negative though Pyram, still great work 😀
No idea about the legalities of them, I think they’d be okay on a seafront like Blackpool as you see more and more of this size of sign there, but I doubt I’d get away with making them for a high street customer around here 😕
Cheers, Dewi
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I’ve just fallen foul of planning for putting out an A-board of a similar size to the one you have pictured. The enforcement officer gave me a good dressing down and I ate plenty of humble pie as he’s really someone you don’t need as an enemy. Anyway took the sign back in and promised I’d strictly comply with planning law (or at least until he’s forgotten about me).
The point I want to make is that 70% of the signs I see going up locally fall foul of planning (mine included). I have a big disclaimer on all my paperwork and forms stating it’s 100% with the customer to ensure they have any and all necessary planning approval.
If a customer asks me for a sign that is clearly beyond planning size limits for the intended application then thats what they will get (with a few disclaimers along the way). If they ask for something that is just larger than an acceptable planning size then I’ll make it slightly smaller to comply, although I still won’t mention planning. (who knows the next sign might be a big one and I don’t want planning to put them off!!).
The following link takes you to the government document that tells you what is allowed. Class2(b) miscellaneous advertisements on any premises is very useful, ie any sign on any premises up to 0.3 square metres on each frontage without planning etc.
“Outdoor advertisements and signs: a guide for advertisers”
http://www.odpm.gov.uk/stellent/groups/ … 06218.hcsp
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Macky D, you don’t tell your customers about planning?? I now you said you have disclaimers but still,
I explain all about planning and stuff, how the local council can get you to remove it, switch off the lighting etc…..
How many people read the small print, i would be mighty p*ss off if as a customer i had just spent £2000 on a sign for the council to say take it down.
I think sign firms should be held responsable for this and fined for not following planning guide lines, This would make alot of people look at what their doing to our high streets….It would stop all the nasty cheap looking foamex signs, which are far too big, have no design and very offensive to the eye……
That’s just my thought on the subject…Simon
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OK maybe I’m not quite as black and white on the subject as my last post suggests. I won’t exceed the ‘natural limits’ that exist in the surrounding area. ie. what I’ll do before raising likely planning issues with the customer will be in line with the sizes and styles used locally for some time (whether or not technically they comply) – I’m not going to be the first to put a massive tacky sign in an inapproriate location (not that I ever get involved in making tacky signs).
I gather that planning enfocement varies from region to region and although I’m still feeling my way along what I do is the right balance for where I’m based.
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Sorry Macky D… i weren’t directing it at you mate, just the way it comes across when i type 🙄 .
Quite right planning differs from area to area, I think the government should pass a law saying all types of signs, including window vinyls, pavment signs banners etc at a fixed site should have to be put through the local council for appoval, like you have too for building or extending your house…
I think that would improve our trade no end, get rid of all those stupid prices where you have so called signmakers doing transit vans for £60.00 and a shop fascia for £90
It would also enhance our high street bringing people back to shop there..
(you can’t put up any old sign up a shopping centre they won’t allow it, it has to be top notch)Simon
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quote Simon C:I think the government should pass a law saying all types of signs, including window vinyls, pavment signs banners etc at a fixed site should have to be put through the local council for appoval, like you have too for building or extending your house…
I think that would improve our trade no end, get rid of all those stupid prices where you have so called signmakers doing transit vans for £60.00 and a shop fascia for £90
It would also enhance our high street bringing people back to shop there..
(you can’t put up any old sign up a shopping centre they won’t allow it, it has to be top notch)Simon
Simon, its a big enough pain in the arse getting planning at the moment don’t give the sods more power, the paper work for the councils is a joke as it is here its everything in quaddruplicate, no copying must be handwritten, have to have OS maps of the area at 15 quid a pop plus 60 quid per application.
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Sorry Steve but No 😀 ,
Planning takes about 1 hour to do, i already have drawings, the one i’ve done to show customer with photos, Street plans can be hand drawn when i go to site to survey the first time and i know the general rules what apply in your area, and in other areas I just ring the local council and they tell you what is acceptable.
Of course you pass the cost on to the customer, £150 per application, or you get them to do it.. I’ve not had one TCP refused yet,
Other wise you end up with crap plastered all over the high streets, London especially which bring down the local area..
Look at areas that have rubbish ever where and graffiti what a total mess….. I say tidy Britain up, get rid of all the tat, make it a nicer place to live. 😉
I might start to lobby my local MP 😮Simon
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Where do i start?
Design – all down to me.
I agree with you Rob on the Casters, the thing is that the customer came in on the Friday morning and wanted these in 7 days for the following weekend. No problem i said at the time. I couldn’t get the ones that l wanted so these had to do this time.
The thing is he’s that impressed with these he’s thinking about sticking two or three outside another of his places. So there might be another three for you to fall over when your back in town Steve!! 🙂
There are end caps on these Dewi, the finish of the stainless was down to the Fabricator though. He just didn’t have time to finish them off due to it all being last minute stuff.
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Maybe at a national level but local councils are run by the old pals brigade, bunch of crooks, there a local business here that has 2 big department stores, on the out of town one they have 4 HUGE flexi faced signs and they are ugly as ****, one shines right into the bedrooms of a nearby pub and the poor landlord just gets the brush off from the council when he compalined cos this firm are all in the funny handshake brigade and have the council in there pockets, so NO it won’t work and is too open to abuse.
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quote Simon C:I think the government should pass a law saying all types of signs, including window vinyls, pavment signs banners etc at a fixed site should have to be put through the local council for appoval, like you have too for building or extending your house…
In theory Simon, its a good idea, but theres one small draw back. Knowing what the councils are already like when it comes to similar guidelines (We had to renew our shop windows to the councils specifications, so we would “fit in” yet other stores close by – nationals – could have anything they wanted 😕 ) they would most probably insist on matching colour schemes, set specifications for window graphics, zero tolerance for a boards… all that malarky.
Humble opinion, but aside from affecting the commercial edge of one company competing with another (hard enough in town centres these days) it would at the same time stiffle innovation. I’ve seen some amazing signs on these boards, some wild and wacky, some reserved and elegant… but every one is a credit to the signmaker/signwriter who made it. Imagine being stuck to “It must be blue” and “Ensure all text is no higher than 200mm, and is one of the specified fonts on the councils list”!
Is that what you want? Coz thats what’ll ‘appen! :lol1: (I know, I know, I’m sad, I’ve been aching to say that line for weeks :lol1: )
Cheers, Dewi
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Well put Dewi….. i now what you & Steve mean,
but it would be nice to get rid of the old tat, it would have to be governed in a way to stop that sort of thing happerning…or even just be more stricter on whats being put up already, shop should have to be responsible for the overall look of an area.
Where i live, the village high street has got all cheapo signs, with a few exceptions, 5mm foamex panels, all warping in the heat, garish coloured plastic signs, faded paint work etc. when by rights it should be wrought iron, timber fascias, low light if any, that type of thing it an old village, it just looks a total mess, because they can buy nasty sign cheap..Simon
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They look good … and if the council complain they complain 🙄 still a good job though 😀
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