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cherry pickers?
Following on from another topic, How many of you guys and gals use cherry pickers/platforms and towers?
If you do, do you own any of the different ways to gain access, or do you hire as needed. And what do you pay per day/week. -
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I alw ays hire a cherry picker when working at height. The problem is I’m stuck with the Scottish weather and never know from one day until the next if we’re going to be getting high winds or decent weather next day. Consequently It’s difficult to book in advance.
I’d love to own my own cherry picker but could not justify the cost as I do not use them often enough.
I’ve recently been discusing this very problem with Alison and have concluded that we either refuse work that involves working at height, or buy a mobile platform to use whenever the weather allows.
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do you guys need a cherry picker license over there?
I can hire a 12m cherry picker with no license, but a 14m one I need a license for. 😉
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Hi guys, we have our own scaffold towers and ladders, don’t often use mobile elevating work platforms (MEWP)
Now I sound like I know what I’m talking about don’t I?
I have good reason, I also own an Industrial & Construction Training Company, who carryout all types of training on these such machines.
As far as the Health & Safety goes the HSE says that “you must require adequate safety training to operate any type of work related equipment” and hold some type of licence or certificate of basic training issued by a reconised training organisation.
cheers
stephen -
I would say the majority of sign companies do not hold any license for using the mentioned equipment.
It all comes down to H&S at the end of the day.
Ladders are not allowed to be used on public highways.
If your using any form of tower you need to have at least one person in attendance who has a PASMA ticket/license
if your using MEWPS again you must have at least one person in attendance with the IPAF ticket/license cover the area of platform your using i.e Self propelled boom (cherry picker) scissor lift etc….The person holding the license need not be the one driving or erecting. As long as they are supervising.
Both Licenses require the person to undertake a written exam (multiple choice) and a practical assessment.
For info:
IPAF = International Powered Access Federation
http://www.ipaf.org
PASMA = Prefabricated Access and Manufacturers Association
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I would say the majority of sign companies do not hold any license for using the mentioned equipment.
Sorry budone but I’ve got to disagree with you on this one. Any sign fitter (as opposed to vinyl applicator) who doesn’t hold a PASMA and IPAF licence shouldn’t be sent out fitting signs – they’re a potential danger to themselves and the public. I don’t know of any reputable sign company or trade fitting service who don’t insist on their fitters taking (and passing) the tests. Every fitter we employ has been tested and every company I know has certified fitters.
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quote :sign companies
I’m talking the small guys – like Phil (no offense Phil)
If you were to list all the sign companies in the UK you would find a large proportion are small one, two, three people businesses. many of which operate from home. you will find that these people do not have the licenses required.
Most sign fitters work for themselves – some will have tickets some wont, those who want to sub contract for larger companies like yours will make sure they have them.
I could name a large sign company who have a major contract re-branding large high street chain stores who sub contracted 2 guys i know just to drive cherry pickers because none of their guys had licenses and the on-site H&S wanted to see the licenses. They had their guys on site fitting the signs, but the subies to drive.
At the end of the day the public doesn’t know about these things and would never request to see these license’s the only person who would is the bigger company subbing work out and the H&S site officer or the H&S government man. they are a potential danger but they are not sent out by someone else they go out of their own accord!
Now it would be interesting to see how many people on here will honestly put their had up and say i go fitting signs using cherry pickers or alloy towers without a license.
Phil do you have a IPAF License for cherry pickers?
And on that note…….. will the admin of the site put his hand up??
Rob’s company have their own cherry picker, do they have the required licenses??
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So far 19 people in the pole have said they have or use cherry pickers or alloy towers to fit signs.
I’m one of them and i have both licenses
there should be 18 others that can say yay or nay to having an operator (either themselves or an employee of theirs) with a license.
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quote budone:there should be 18 others that can say yay or nay to having an operator (either themselves or an employee of theirs) with a license.me & ed do not have one!! 😛 never ever knew that we had to get one 😛
Nik
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we do have a certificate to say we have been tested & are fully competent driving/operating our cherry picker. we obtained this after being tested by an access company around 3 years ago. although to be honest we have had the machine about 5 years.
before buying it, we had been using cherry pickers for years & of various sizes. ours takes us to about 50ft working height, the ones i had used prior from rental companies like skylifts & the like… never were we asked for licenses back then, changed days now… some of those then were monsters. having said that, lorry backed cherry pickers came with driver & he operated the machine. even then, never did the access companies then/or now insist we use harnesses etc which we do have ourselves and use. although i don’t like them. 😕i wont quote the sign companies names here, as i wouldn’t like to get facts wrong or even names… for that matter… but..
around 3-5 years ago, a showcase cinemas opened close to me.
i knew some of the sign crew on the scene, some Scottish, some English.
the Scottish company had a scissor lift cherry picker, must have been 50ft easy… around lunch time the Scottish company went on a tea break, on doing so the English firm asked to use the cherry picker to finish off some work they were doing. sure they said… off they went for tea.
on returning they faced ambulances and police. one man dead and another badly injured! the ins and outs of it i don’t know… but shows it can & does happen.back to my hate of harnesses that should be worn…
i was on site in a Gennie cherry picker. it wasn’t our own but was very big…
anyway.. i was up very high, all harnessed in and working away…
i decided i had to move along about 20 foot, so down i came. on doing so the guy i was working with got out to change battery in power drill.
although i was no higher than 3 foot off the ground, the boom was fully extended in one section… we were working on a rough road due to building work going on around us. i decided to drive the cherry picker along the 20 ft i needed to begin working again. driving from the bucket & at tortoise/slow rate… one of the large wheels dipped down a little put hole of about 6 inches deep. bump, in it went… nothing really… only that little bump down for the main section of the machine, then exaggerated over the Lentgh of the boom i had extended acted like a fly swat! 😮
it whipped me from one side of the bucket, cracking a rib on the bars holding me in, then whipped me back so fierce it fired against the bars on the opposite side of the 4 foot wide bucket, sending me over the side on impact… i didn’t fall right over & out, because i had harness on.. but the pain and the fright in a split second only 3 feet off the ground woke my ideas up a bit, i can tell you… the guy walking back with battery said hes never seen anything like it. all he could see was a whiz back and forward of a hi-viz jacket… all this for a 6 inch pot hole & driving no faster than 2-3mph? 😕bottom line… imagine if i was up 50ft and the machine bumped down just 6 inches over a fully exteded boom… 😕
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So If a sign Company hires a tower and goes and falls of it where does the responibility lay,
1 the hire co
2 the sign co
3 the customer………..The right answer according to h&s is the customer if you’re working on his site, he is responsible for h&s
My interpretation of the law is that you do not need a certificate, you just have to demonstrate that the operator has had adequate training on the equipment. Otherwise we would need a certificate for using saws, blades, and all the other naughty things.
Peter -
Just goes to show rob, that even with training its possible to do something daft, Did your machine not have stabilising legs? All boom machines are normally not able to travell with the boom extended, most modern stuff is as fool proof as possible, but someone, somewhere will make a mistake.
Human error is responsible for most accidents, but as a company/employer if you have done all you can to train and keep your staff safe, then you are covered, It’s all down to liability and negligence.
You can’t save a prat from himself!
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peter -
I have been hiring and using cherry pickers for 8 years now. I do not have a certificate to use one – and I never knew I needed one.
I’ll be damned if I’ll let some official tell me what I can and can’t do to earn a living. I have had many years of experience of how to use a cherry picker (I’m probably more experienced than some of the trainers that spot an opportunity and set themselves up as consultants and “Trainers”). I have been using them for years without incident. A piece of paper will not make me any safer!! This is where the system falls down it appears to take no account of the fact that there are many individuals like me with years of experience but no written qualification.
Meanwhile I will do what I have always done and carry on regardless of the increasing red tape and nonsense that is creeping up on small business.
Maybe I would be better off feigning an injury and live off the state instead of being a good citizen who works extremely hard to earn an honest living and pays a fortune in taxes (as well as being an unpaid VAT collector for the treasury).
Frankly I’m sick of useless bureaucrats (in government, Europe and local councils) that insist on meddling and trying to dictate how we should all run our lives.
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Totally agree with you, Rightsigns
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i agree peter. accidents will happen, clowns will make them happen more. :lol1:
my point was just this, after many years working these machines, i still got caught off guard. so maybe the harnesses wasnt a bad idea… 😕the machine i was using didn’t have outriggers/stabilizers.
very similar model this one in picture. like i said though, i was not fully boomed, just one section & only 3 foot from ground.
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quote rightsigns:Frankly I’m sick of useless bureaucrats (in government, Europe and local councils) that insist on meddling and trying to dictate how we should all run our lives.
Could not agree more… Even tho I am in OZ, the same bureaucratic mentality is a way of life here too. 😥
Our Queensland Government has passed a law here that to install a sign with a height greater or equal to 3 metres, or to dig a hole that will house a free standing sign, or to fit a sign to a wall, we must have a Builders License. That is the same license required for building a house! 👿 Madness. Plus, I have to get a license to operate from my local council too, so I get hit twice. Worse tho, the council charge $1200 just to sit the ‘exam’. There is no refund if you withdraw or fail to meet the required ‘ticks’ on the paper. Pluse the examiners are straight out of uni. None have any idea of what it is like to run a business.
New rules the state government are trying to pass will force anybody that has been in the sign game less than 10 years, to sit a 600 hour course before they get a ticket to install signs they make. We will void our public liability insurance if we are unlicensed, or use an unlicensed fabricator – be it metal or timber.
End of the day I have no problem being licensed if it is going to improve the industry. I do have a problem tho with bureaucrats that have not got the guts to go into business for themselves, telling me how I should think, act and conduct myself.
To governments, licensing is just another Tax afterall. The queensland government here sprout on that we are the least taxed state in australia. No one says anything about the indirect taxes on the small business tho. Queensland has one of the highest indirect taxes in australia.
All the others states in Oz are now following the Qld lead, so I can not even move interstate to get away from it. 😥
Cheers
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My initial comment was in response to ste68blue’s post.
I’m sure I’ve had similar disagreements with neon wizard before – and i stand my ground.
Just because you have IPAF, PASMA, Safety passports, SPA forecourt liceses, CSCS cards does not mean you are safe or qualified.
I had two young guys who had never driven a cherry picker before go on a training course and pass the theory 100% and pass the practical exam – these guys had never used a cherry picker before so although now “qualified” they are not safe and i would never leave them on their own without an experienced driver.
Put one of these guys next to Phil and the HSE would choose my guy over Phil every time – me I’d choose Phil, he has the experience worth far more than qualifications in my book!
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If it hasn’t got an attached staircase or one of those slopey things… ah, yeah… a slope! 😀 then I don’t go near it. I’d much rather pay someone else to clamber about above 4 metres, its so much more fun.
Below 4 metres I’ll use ladders & trestles, so I can reach to do the average shop sign. Just heights above aren’t really my thing 🙄
Cheers, Dewi
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budone is right – we’ve had our clashes in the past :lol1: I agree with him, experience is far better than just getting a certificate but with the current H&S culture that we have an inexperienced operator with the correct certificate is more acceptable (in insurance terms) than someone who has 20+ years of experience but no certificate.
Sounds crazy to me but I fail to see why the experienced operators of this equipment would baulk at taking the test and getting the certificate.
Trained doesn’t mean experienced and budone is right (again!) just because someone holds the correct certificates doesn’t mean that we – or anyone else for that matter – would employ/use them
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quote rightsigns:I’ll be damned if I’ll let some official tell me what I can and can’t do to earn a living. I have had many years of experience of how to use a cherry picker (I’m probably more experienced than some of the trainers that spot an opportunity and set themselves up as consultants and “Trainers”). I have been using them for years without incident. A piece of paper will not make me any safer!! This is where the system falls down it appears to take no account of the fact that there are many individuals like me with years of experience but no written qualification.
In response to this, to become a Safety Instructor, like everyone else we have to undergo riggerous training and examinations to qualify us to be able to train on the equipment.
Experience is not always a substitute for the correct foundation training
Example: my friend has worked and lived on a farm since the age of 13 and is now 18, whilst living on the farm he has driven the Land Rover around, this does not qualify him to drive a motor vehicle on a public road, because he hasn’t passed the test as required by law.
The same applies to the equipment within a work place, just because someone has been using it for a length of time, does not mean that it is being used correctly or even more important SAFELY!!
I would also point out that “ignorance is no excuse” in the eyes of the law. The fact that people may be using this equipment without training or certification, but having had a number of years experience is no consulation.
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quote :whilst living on the farm he has driven the Land Rover around, this does not qualify him to drive a motor vehicle on a public road, because he hasn’t passed the test as required by law.
But by the same degree learning to drive and passing the test it gives you a license to drive but it doesn’t make you a good driver, it just means that you can pass the test and you are competant to drive on teh public highways. It’s experiance that makes you a good driver imho (but u do need the license) But once you have the license you can use your car on teh road, and we all see every day idiots out there that just can’t drive.
I think just because you pass a test to say that you are competant in using the piece of equipment isn’t enough, you also need experiance to go with it. When i worked for the railways we had loads of ppl passing tests to use equipment, by the HSE legislation yes they could use it, but they honestly didn’t have a clue, many a time i’ve seen accidents waiting to happen and some did happen, by ppl havinga qualification but no experiance on how to use it safely.
I don’t know what the answer is to this but it does make a good topic 🙂
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If we take a BIG step backwards:
when you guys begun using these machines at the very start of your careers etc. you had no experience. Added to this you had no formal training to put good practices into place, so just because you haven’t had an accident does not mean by any means that you are doing it correctly or safely and therefore you are more likely to have an accident than a well trained sensible operator.
I agree that experience is a very important ingredient but so too is formal basic foundation training, the main thing being putting yourselves and others at risk, not to mention possible prosecution and imprisonment.
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Training is an essential part of using any equipment. But does the law require a lisence to operate a cherry picker/access platform? What I mean is a car driving lisence is required by law, if you dont have one you will be prosecuted. Does this apply to acces platforms?
Can any one clarify, and show the relevant legislation.
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quote :experience is far better than just getting a certificate but with the current H&S culture that we have, an inexperienced operator with the correct certificate is more acceptable (in insurance terms) than someone who has 20+ years of experience but no certificate.
A great point here, the law is the law, in irrespective of what ever it is you either abide by the law or face the consequences.
Now obviously driving a car without a license will get you a ban and a fine – if you have an accident your likely to go to prison. This is more in the public eye and is “policed” by the police. many do take the risk each and every day to drive without a license
H&S is not so strictly policed, but if you are caught H&S is a serious business and you could be closed down! There isn’t as much public awareness of H&S rules – as many here have pointed out by saying they didn’t know about needing a license. H&S is becoming tighter and tighter, the red tape that has to be delt with is longer and longer.
The idea being that the working environment and it’s surroundings become a safer place.
It’s not flawless but the reasons behind it are supposed to be for the better.
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Amagine this scenario.
A firm is erecting a sign at 70foot in a town centre, the sign drops from the building, and kills an unfortunate passer by. Now if there is negligence, the company responsible will be prosecuted wether or not they have the relevent lisences/certificates.
If they didnt have the certs all and sundry would classify them as cowboys. But my question still is, Can h&s stop a person using a cherrypicker if he/she does not have a certificate? I am lead to believe that they would only stop someone if they were not complying with safety regs, eg not wearing harness and hard hats etc. -
not only could you be closed down for such unsafe practices but you could also face a fine to a maximum of £20,000 per offence and I’m sure being caught either before or following an accident occuring you would have commited more than one offence.
As far as the “licence” issue goes there is no such thing as a licence to operate work equipment, it is actually a “Certificate of Basic Training” and thats “basic training” not “certificate of competence”.
As far as the dropped sign goes, we all have a responsability to carryout risk assessment, which to a degree should eliminate this occuring in the first place.
However, prosecutions would only take place if someone is found to be negligent
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Peter it’s hard to say on this matter.
But i guess a HSE could stop you and request to see your license even if your not doing anything wrong.
I have just looked to see if i can pull up anything on the HSE website that says specifically you must have a license, but i can’t find anything.
They can and will prosecute you for failing to meet H&S laws – even if no accident occurs.
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chaps, i will have a look tomorrow when i go into our office and dig out some relevant legislation regarding qualifications and training, i supect that it is in the Provision and Use of Work Equipment regulations but i will confirm this as soon as i can
Hopefully it will answer a lot of the previously questioned areas
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ste68blu,
Must correct you slightly there, a prosecution is to determine neglignce.
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I would be very interested it the actual law related to this as most of us want to stay within it, Will await with interest for you comments tommorrow thanks
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What is the position regarding window cleaners?
They charge between 5 and ten pounds to do an average house. The upper windows of the house are usually cleaned using a ladder. Technically this shouldn’t be allowed as a ladder is not deemed to be a safe working platform therefore a tower or cherry picker should be used with all the associated certification and training that signmakers need to have.
Is there an association of windows cleaners (e.g British Window Cleaners Association BWCA) – they could tie up with other organisations to ensure that laws are passed to ensure that all their members are able to obtain apropriate certificates to allow their members to continue cleaning windows safely or is the noble proffesion of window cleaning in danger of being killed off through legislation 🙄
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On the note of training:
Provision of Work Equipment Regualtions
Regulation 9 (1)Training
Every Employer shall ensure that all persons who use work equipment have received adequate training for the purposes of health & safety, any risks which such use may entail and precautions to be taken.Records
Every Employer shall ensure that sufficient records are kept of all employees having undertaken adequate training for the purposes of health & safety.The only recognised way of being able to provide proof of adequate training is to undergo formal foundation training with an approved training organisation, forwhich you would receive a “certificate of basic training” once this is acheived then experience should follow.
Cheers
Stephen -
Thanks for that,
it sounds sensible and goes back to what I said about employees, but that does not cover self employed, so we can deduce that a “lisence” is not required to operate the equipment, On the point off training though, if I trained my own personel and supplied them with a written exam, Multiple choice, and recorded the fact that they had been trained then would that comply?
saftey and training should always be top priorty in any firm, but we must not loose sight of experience, which is the most valuable training you can have.
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Peter, the only issue with training your own employees is if an inspector noses around the first question would be do you hold the relevant qualifiactions to carry out this type of training??
As far as self employed persons go; they are veiwed by law as an employer or having employer status.
Cheers
stephen -
Relevant qualifications depends on what the equipment is. for example a grindstone, simple thing but can be dangerous, as can be many things in a workshop or site, To show an apprentice how to operate it properly do I need to be Qualified or send him on a course? Also there are many manufacturers of access equipment, do I need training on each type/model like an airline pilot?
H&S is very complex when it comes to safety and most small firms are unlikley to know all the rules. From my experience the main offenders are large firms who sub out to small firms, and then claim that the accident was not their fault but that of the smaller firm. (potters bar rail accident springs to mind) Ranting a bit I know just trying to find out how it works in practice -
peter, grindstones (abrasive wheels) are also regulated and again you would need to be able to provide proof of training/ certificate etc.
I agree that large firms are happy to shift the blame to wriggle out of being prosecuted when they can, but at the end of the day we are all accountable for our own actions and in the eyes of the law are our own health & safety inspectors.
Another question maybe to ask all members is when you go to see a customer to survey for a job, do you ever carry out a risk assessment??
This is another area, if an HSE inspector stopped you during a job, could you produce a written risk assessment?
Stephen
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I think we have run of the rails a bit here,
what you are saying is that to train someone in safe practice of the simlplist machine I need a certificate/qualification otherwise I am negligent. So the small firm with 1 or 3 employees has to either take all the exams to allow them to train employees, or send them on an expensive courses before they can do anything usefull?
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Peter, the courses are not as expensive as you may think.
Abrasive wheels are potentially very dangerous and if you are required to fit, remove or dress one then yes proof of training is required.
Don’t pack up just yet!!
Its all basic procedure for running a business and training should be an ongoing practice.
cheers
stephen -
So when I was an apprentice, many, many years ago. I was trained how to dress a stone, and I dont mean put a frock on it, I am a Qualified engineer, and have the qualifications, so is that ok for me to train people, even though I dont have a training certificate?
again not being disrespectful, just doing my best to gain knowledge.
Peter -
So do we all need a certificate or not to legally use access equipment? and as has already been said would you need a certificate per piece of equipment …… imagine how many certificates you would have to get to cover all the various pieces of equipment available for hire.
When we first hired access equipment we were given basic training on how to operate and manouver etc, no-one ever asked if we had a certificate or the like …… surely if certificates etc were a must shouldnt it also be down to the hire companies to ask for proof …… same as any vehicle hire company asks you for your license before you take one of their vans etc?
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Well this thread has kept me entertained….
a few points…
quote :Provision of Work Equipment Regualtions
Regulation 9 (1)is a regulation a law?…i belive its just a guideline, no wrong or right either way….and…
quote :Peter, the only issue with training your own employees is if an inspector noses around the first question would be do you hold the relevant qualifiactions to carry out this type of training??isnt this last quote a bit like what came first the chicken or the egg.
Lets all be safe and then we can get the HSE abolished and save ourselves and all taxpayers a lot of money!
Simon
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from all the above posts this is my conclusion.
Health and safety rules are generally guidlines.
It is down to everyone to ensure they do the job in a safe way.
Laws and regulations are different.
Experience is more valuable than paper certificates.
No one has come up with a definatve answer to if a lisence is required for a cherry picker/access platform.
Training courses are only valid if a regognised exam is sat and passed, not just a certificate that the course has been attended.
Let us all try to be safe, and use common sense, we really dont need a certificate for that.
End Of thread?
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quote ste68blue:Another question maybe to ask all members is when you go to see a customer to survey for a job, do you ever carry out a risk assessment??
This is another area, if an HSE inspector stopped you during a job, could you produce a written risk assessment?
Risk assessment? Excuse my ignorance and being slightly off topic here, but could you explain this to me? In simple terms though, not Health&Safety speak 😳
I was going to come up with some witty remark about the only risk assessment I do is whether or not I risk not getting paid, but I am geniunely interested to know about this.
On the subject of a need for license/qualification for certain equipment, surely the hire firm would ask to see these documents when you hire the gear? If they didn’t, wouldn’t they be in breach of some half-ar$ed regulation? Again, not being pedantic, just be interested to know as we all have to hire access equipment at some point, nature of the job.
Cheers, Dewi
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Dewi, before we carryout any type of work related activity someone within your organisation should carryout a risk assessment;
meaning that we should look at the task we are to undertake, identify any risks involved and then look at taking steps toeither reduce or eliminate these risks, this should then be documented, if in case an inspector requires it.
A good example of risk assessment is the use of safety equipment, why does our employer give us safety boots??
Because during our working day there is always a significant risk of us for example dropping something on our foot and sustaining injury, now there is no way they can eliminate this risk (other than rapping you up in cotton wool) so to supply us with safety footwear is a way of reducing the risk of serious injury; the risk is still present (still able to drop something on our foot) but because we are wearing our boots it simply bounces off and we are not hurt.
Unfortunately, there is no responsability placed upon a hire company to ensure that hirers are trained, experienced or qualified to us the equipment you are hiring (daft I know, we do train for such companies, but they are only their own personel)
Cheers
stephen -
This has been a very interesting topic – well done Peter for starting this. And thank you Stephen for your knowledgable advice.
CCCS cards were introduced for the building trade a few years ago. It’s now no longer possible for a signmaker to erect a sign on a building site without holding one of these cards. How long will it be until the scheme is extended to include the erection of all signs (including shop and factory signs)? I personally do not believe the introduction of CCCS cards are in the best interest of the public or individual sign companies or their customers.
H&S is my top priority when I carry out any work but I get an overwhelming feeling that the increasing bureaucracy associated with H&S hinder not help my business.
I do not trade as a limited company but know of at least one company that was forced to close down and restart as a new limited company simply in order to be able to obtain insurance to continue trading having been succesfully sued by an ex employee for breaching H&S regulations.
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How strange …. just had a call from H&S Birmingham asking questions about our H&S policies, risk assessments, work equipment and do we work at heights etc???? They said they were just updating their database? They are kindly sending us a poster too 😀
Has anyone else had a call from them?
Carrie 😀
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Carrie, they are an excellent source of info and are there to assist us, if you need help ask them, they are usually quite helpful.
Not a strange occurance for them to contact companies such as with you, its probably some desk jockey looking for something to do.
Stephen
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i got an e-mail today from jwh consultants!!! 😮 (safety in the sign industry)
i think it’s a tad strange too carrie 😀 anyway it got binned!! 😛
nik
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In reply to some of the comments made above
(i have only had a quick skim through, so if i repeat pls excuse)
Some one mentioned responsibility……. it will rest entirely at the hands of the person that HIRES the machine, not necessarily the person working/ using the machine.. read the small print on the hire contract!
when you sign the contract you accept all consequences including damage theft and liability….. for safety sake know what you are doing!!!!!Darryl
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me too Nik 😉 .
Another lurker methinks 😛 – Hey JWH consultants – why don’t you contribute something usefull to these signboards you have been browsing instead of trawling for business 😕
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you tell them phil!! 👿 👿 😉
just out of curiosity how can a ‘lurrker’ get such info from the boards? 😕 forget that question…. 😳 😳 i have given my e-mail 😮
Nik
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Nik your email only appears on your post to people who are logged in, Ie other members, perhaps there is a scitzo amongst us?
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I guess they just do a search for “Rightsigns” – visit the website, then email via the links. This is the main reason why Rob has stopped things like signatures and profiles containing email adresses in an attempt to stop the spammers from hassling us!
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Rightsigns, Sorry dont know your real name(think its John?)That method may apply to you because your co name is on the boards, but nik and carrie dont mention their trading name
Peter -
Hi Peter – I respect many of the posts you have made. My name is Phill 😀
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phil that’s was my first thought…ohh website!! 😮 but as peter has pointed out i do not have my business addy anywhere!! i’m not sure if carrie has? anyway….it’s a bit puzzling when someone was very particular that everyone must have the ‘what ever it was certificate’ mmmm 🙄
Nik
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Hmm.. I don’t know how our email adresses have come out either. All I know is the email I received was via “enquiries@therightsigns.co.uk” which is listed on my website 😕
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it says ‘formly signwise of scotland’ does anyone know who that is? 😀
Nik
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I didn’t get an email 🙁 Maybe you have to be in the trade a certain amount of time before you get targeted by lurkers :lol1:
Cheers, Dewi
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Nah Dew, they’ve started with the Jocks and are working their way down the country. They’re probably a lot less safe than we are, probably because of all them wonky ladders on hills. 🙂
Just in case any lurker is thinking of calling me: I only entertain calls from people who greet me as “Lord High Commander of Kippers”. Otherwise I hang up.
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Nah.. it’s the whisky, most of us are too p1ssed most of the time so we need extra H&S consultation to protect ourselves from ourselves :lol1:
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Whiskey barrels are pretty sturdy to stand on if ya want a little extra height.
But then H&S would slap a label on it saying it was highly volatile stuff (hot)
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We had H&S round at Fineline a few years back. They had a go at me for using a non retractable scalpel! Tossers. The bloke in question limped like Douglas Bader, shows how safe he was.
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Oooo, so the fun is still to come 😀
It interests me how much money is generated by the H&S regulations that are being imposed/enforced upon businesses. Have you noticed how you have to buy specific items to comply, such as those bizarre posters that tell the hard of thinking within your organisation not to stick their finger into a live socket or sit on a circular saw whilst its spinning 😕 Add to that the need for a certificate for everything (I can’t wait for their to be a certificate in clearing away rubbish :D) its certainly a growth industry.
I wonder how much safer we are now? I still don’t fully understand the risk assessment thingy Steve, it sounds like alot of paperwork just to say “Please keep clear whilst I’m fitting the sign just in case I drop it” or “You know, I maybe using a bit of paint… might be best if you put the puppy in the yard for a while”. S’pose thats the way everything is going though. You’ll probably need a quotation assessment document soon with lots of little tick boxes to make sure you’re quoting for the job in the same manner as everyone else, ooooo, and a License to Quote 😀 🙄
Cheers, Dewi
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I’m sorry Dewi – but you’ve no time for all this H&s paperwork nonsense – it’s best that you concentrate on compeleting your paperwork for the number plates – otherwise civilisation will grind to a halt and we’ll all be inundated with boy racers driving around with illegal number plates. Meanwhile, drunken scotsmen will still endeavour to climb up ladders trying to nail a sign up straight regardless of the paperwork involved 😕
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I agree Phill, you’re right, I should concentrate on collecting information for the DVLA, providing a useful public service. I may start asking some additional questions as well, you know, just to be extra helpful. I was considering such questions as “Will you submit your fingerprints once you have purchased your numberplates?” and “Are you a criminal?”. I think the DVLA are missing a golden opportunity to catch the real criminals red-handed, my questions could help a great deal! But I don’t want any money, just the fact that I’m helping mankind is reward enough!
Oh, when you’re nailing up those signs, you could save all that nasty paperwork with a little sign hanging from the ladders “I’m a signmaker, I’m fitting a sign, You’re a pedestrian, You are walking past me”. It’ll help avoid any confusion.
Cheers, Dewi
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I’ve not had one yet 😥 an email that is not whisky.
dave
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