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Mike Grant

Member

12 October 2004 at 21:54

You should be able to get the relevant info from your local council. Different areas have different rules. I don’t do planning permission anymore as our local council moved the goalposts everytime I put in an application. Leave the customer worry about it. (chat.)

Andy Gorman

Member

12 October 2004 at 21:59

I asked about this at our council once and was told that any permanent sign needed planning permission if it was over 1/3 sq metre! It’s all a bit of a farce because a shop near me has a 20 foot x 8 foot banner on their wall that needs no permission because it’s classed as temporary. Like Mike, I leave it to the customer to arrange and I put a disclaimer on all quotes to this effect. Bit negative, but councils can be a pain. Your local planning officer is the one to speak to.

Steve Lamb

Member

12 October 2004 at 22:02

Customer problem! Very rarely get involved, especially not on vehicles 😉 😉 😮

Gary Davis

Member

13 October 2004 at 08:12

thanx guys, Big G is there any chance you could post up the wording you use for that part of your disclaimer?

storeinet

Member

13 October 2004 at 10:19

try here

http://www.planning-applications.co.uk/adverts.htm & http://www.carmarthenshire.gov.uk/index.asp?docID=679

storeinet

Member

13 October 2004 at 10:20

and here http://www.odpm.gov.uk/stellent/groups/ … 06218.hcsp

Dan

Andy Gorman

Member

13 October 2004 at 10:27

I say something along the lines of “Quotation does not include planning application costs, and any planning application is the responsibility of the customer unless otherwise stated”. I don’t know if this covers me against any problems, so I’d be interested to hear what others do about this.

Gary Davis

Member

13 October 2004 at 10:33

thanks Big G, as you say would be good to know what others state, and how it covers you if it does at all?

J. Hulme

Member

13 October 2004 at 21:41

Couldn’t care less about it, not my problem, it’s theirs to obtain permission not mine. I do as asked or instructed by the customer, tough if he / she hasn’t gone through the correct channels, that’s his/her obligation. I have been asked if certain things need planning permission I say don’t know, check , every one has said sod it just put it up.

signworxs

Member

14 October 2004 at 20:36

Any premises that are designed for wholesale / retail ie. shops etc have what is called deemed consent. This means that if the shop front has an area that above the window for the purpose then no planning permission is needed to erect a sign within that area. Signs on any other wall and above shop front height ie, between first floor windows DO need planning permision However if the sign is to be externally illuminated then the lamps must be positioned so as not to distract or dazzle passing traffic and should be designed and fit for the purpose and may need separate permision as a firemans switch may need to be installed, so a couple of 500watt halogens from B&Q is no good (how many have seen that). Projecting signs nearly always need planing permision as they have to meet strict H&S regulations such as wind sheer factor etc. Did you know that technicaly window graphics are illegal, any lettering in windows should be a meter back fron the glass, as far as I know this has not been ratified but I will stand corrected. It is not a co-incidence that all the major stores have backdrops to window displays with lettering / graphics on. the reality is though that no one cares and we all do it anyway

Nicola McIntosh

Member

14 October 2004 at 20:59

quote signworxs:

Did you know that technicaly window graphics are illegal, any lettering in windows should be a meter back fron the glass the reality is though that no one cares and we all do it anyway

i did not know that!! 😛 i have a shop front to do, it’s a listed building and have been requested to forward plans for window graphics to the planning in my area!! 😛 never had to do it before!! 😛 done many windows in the past..no problems!! 😛 look forward to what the local authorities say on this one!! 😀

thanks Nik

signworxs

Member

14 October 2004 at 21:17

look at this site it gives you all the info any signmaker needs regarding planning for any sign. Oh and i was right about the shop window but I have found that it depends on the planning area and many don’t enforce it. Interestingly all signs come under the outdoor advertising regulations and some councils don’t see window graphics as advertising.
http://WWW.planning-applications.co.uk/adverts

Mike Grant

Member

14 October 2004 at 21:26

quote signworxs:

Any premises that are designed for wholesale / retail ie. shops etc have what is called deemed consent. This means that if the shop front has an area that above the window for the purpose then no planning permission is needed to erect a sign within that area. Signs on any other wall and above shop front height ie, between first floor windows DO need planning permision However if the sign is to be externally illuminated then the lamps must be positioned so as not to distract or dazzle passing traffic and should be designed and fit for the purpose and may need separate permision as a firemans switch may need to be installed, so a couple of 500watt halogens from B&Q is no good (how many have seen that). Projecting signs nearly always need planing permision as they have to meet strict H&S regulations such as wind sheer factor etc. Did you know that technicaly window graphics are illegal, any lettering in windows should be a meter back fron the glass, as far as I know this has not been ratified but I will stand corrected. It is not a co-incidence that all the major stores have backdrops to window displays with lettering / graphics on. the reality is though that no one cares and we all do it anyway

Spot on there mate!

It is also your responsibility as a sign manufacturer to INFORM THE CUSTOMER that they will/might need planning permission. There is no obligation on your behalf to do it for them, but you must tell them. If they ignore your information you are at least in the clear of any comebacks from the council. (chat.)

Nicola McIntosh

Member

14 October 2004 at 21:28

thanks 😛

will check out my local council!! 😀 (i’m not going to mention it first though) 😉

Nik

signworxs

Member

14 October 2004 at 21:37

Hi nik
I would just submit plans and not say anything and see what happens, if all’s ok then they have set a pressident and theoreticaly you could not be turned down for any others. I suspect you have been asked for plans because it is a listed building and they will want to ensure anything happening to the building is in keeping with the surrounding area.
best off luck though I dont think you will need it.

paul

Nicola McIntosh

Member

14 October 2004 at 21:47

cheers paul!! 😀

i will keep you posted!! 😛 (the funniest things have happened at my end) 😛

Nik

Phill Fenton

Member

14 October 2004 at 22:09

Planning consent is a nightmare. The local office are a law unto themselves and will not offer clear guidelines – they simply ask for all cases to be submitted which they will judge on it’s own merits.

What really p*sses me off is that our local council sell advertising space on Roundabouts (costing 3- 5 thousand pounds a year) to supplement their income – yet tell my clients that they cannot have an illuminated sign as this may distract motorists 🙄

Honestly – these guys are parasites living off the ratepayers money – they should get a real job the b*stards (:)
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(Sorry about that – it just all came out 😳 )

Nicola McIntosh

Member

14 October 2004 at 22:12

no worries phil!! 😛 i understand totally……….. 😮

ed rants about them all the time too…..not his favourite people!! 😮

Nik

Andy Gorman

Member

14 October 2004 at 22:15

Phill, don’t hold back mate, say what you feel. 😉

I hate councillors; one who lives near me parks his car diagonally across 2 spaces in the car park outside his flat so he can spy through the curtains at people without any cars in the way.

I went to a planning meeting once. Permission was granted to a druggie bedsit block right in the middle of the high street, the very next item was a bloke who wanted to fit a new window in a listed building and it was refused because they didn’t like the modern materials he was going to use. Oooh, I hate ’em.

Carrie Brown

Member

14 October 2004 at 22:22

😮 Phil, Nik …… oh you wouldn’t believe how much they p*ss me off!!! Our town is full or mostly made up of listed buildings especially the pubs so you can guess the hassles us and our customers get 😮

Carrie 😀

I did type a lot more than that, but deleted it ….. I was having a good ole blabble whinge about the council, but thought I wouldn’t put you all through the boredom :lol1: … count yourselves lucky!!! 😉

John Singh

Member

14 October 2004 at 23:26

The Council (hot)

About the only guys that can really get my goat up

Their motto through and through: ‘Do as I say not as I do’

Endless laws and bye laws and other stuff they keep spouting out
All binding on us but not applicable to them.

With the mad passion for ticketing, clamping, or just lifting your vehicle for just about everything. Legalised daylight mugging of decent folk

John

Mike Grant

Member

15 October 2004 at 22:37

You have to larf at our local council……..

To cut a long story short, our local leisure centre was closed down overnight and the gym club side had a paddy and insisted the council find a new venue.
Well a new venue was found and a lease signed and tenders went out to equip the gym with brand new stuff.

Then they shot themselves in the foot with their own rules. They had not taken into account the cost of upgrading the building to cater for the disabled, and had to scrap the idea once again. :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: (hot) 🙄

Boy did I wet myself with that one. 😳