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  • David Crocker

    Member
    March 25, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    Hi all,

    Just a quickie.

    How much would you charge for a 17’x3′ sign with a full aluminium rebate surround frame, easy peazy vinyl lettering and also fitting? (the substrate is red Foamalux)

    Im thinking around the £700 mark. The materials and build of the sign come to £211 (vat included in that) and is ready made by a sign company for me.

    Am i way off the price at £700. Im not a sign-maker so im lost on the price a bit.

    cheers
    Dave.

  • Simon.James

    Member
    March 25, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    Good money if you can get it, but unless its a difficult fit, I would think you could loose that to another signwriter by upto maybe £200.

    it maybe a difficult fit but I would say if the customer has time to get 5 or 6 quotes you would be one of the highest

    without seeing the job I would say anything from £495 to £695

    this is only in my experience, so I could be way of the ball!

    Cheers

    Simon

  • Peter Dee

    Member
    March 25, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    Red Foamalux?

    That’ll probably be pink by next year.

    I’ve just quoted £799 for a 8.8m x 630mm ally laminate sign in ally frame.

  • Simon.James

    Member
    March 25, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    thats cheap

    my longest ever sign was 8 metres x 3 ft high in a palatrine frames on blk gloss foamulux with moulded chrome lettering on

    saying SPACEFITTINGFURNITURE all has one word in Gill sans (Looked good, I think so anyway??) it was a difficult fit though as the showroom was on an incline and what we thought was on the p*ss the customer thought was straight.

    from memory i charges them £2100 & the Vodka and Tonic

    as for going pink, i think it will take about 2 years, I looked today at a sign on Yellow foamulex we fitted in 2003 and it just starting to look faded now!

    Simon

  • Peter Normington

    Member
    March 25, 2008 at 7:35 pm
    quote Simon James:

    thats cheap

    my longest ever sign was 8 metres x 3 ft high in a palatrine frames on blk gloss foamulux with moulded chrome lettering on

    saying SPACEFITTINGFURNITURE all has one word in Gill sans (Looked good, I think so anyway??) it was a difficult fit though as the showroom was on an incline and what we thought was on the p*ss the customer thought was straight.

    from memory i charges them £2100 & the Vodka and Tonic

    as for going pink, i think it will take about 2 years, I looked today at a sign on Yellow foamulex we fitted in 2003 and it just starting to look faded now!

    Simon

    I dont think I would be happy fitting moulded letters to foamex, at those dimensions in a panatrim frame,

    I would expect something a bit more for the £2100, but then thats just my opinion,
    How much did the letters cost? probably the biggest expense, and probably not cheap, so why mount them on a cheap substate?

    Red foamex/lux does fade quickly as do a lot of the other colours, so not really suitable for long term signage.

    Peter

  • David Rogers

    Member
    March 25, 2008 at 11:53 pm
    quote Peter Normington:

    quote Simon James:

    thats cheap

    my longest ever sign was 8 metres x 3 ft high in a palatrine frames on blk gloss foamulux with moulded chrome lettering on

    saying SPACEFITTINGFURNITURE all has one word in Gill sans (Looked good, I think so anyway??) it was a difficult fit though as the showroom was on an incline and what we thought was on the p*ss the customer thought was straight.

    from memory i charges them £2100 & the Vodka and Tonic

    as for going pink, i think it will take about 2 years, I looked today at a sign on Yellow foamulex we fitted in 2003 and it just starting to look faded now!

    Simon

    I dont think I would be happy fitting moulded letters to foamex, at those dimensions in a panatrim frame,

    I would expect something a bit more for the £2100, but then thats just my opinion,
    How much did the letters cost? probably the biggest expense, and probably not cheap, so why mount them on a cheap substate?

    Red foamex/lux does fade quickly as do a lot of the other colours, so not really suitable for long term signage.

    Peter

    Have to agree with Peter on all four points there – for the sake of you spending another £100 on materials you could’ve used alu-composite & flood coated it / bought it pre-coloured. Just my thoughts….

  • Karl Williams

    Member
    March 26, 2008 at 12:05 am

    The biggest sign I’ve done was 95′ long x 5′ deep at the Notts Forest football ground. I’m not saying how much I charged for it as it was for my brother. I’ll post a pic on here maybe tomorrow.

  • Simon.James

    Member
    March 26, 2008 at 10:11 pm

    Hi Peter

    We have fitted loads of letters on locators directly into foamex, but in every instance we have put secured plywood strips behind and have used a long fixing through the foamex and into the wood.

    we also fit the locators loose on the sign as when all the plastic starts moving the locators dont crack and split which gives way to the letter.

    fitted maybe 25 – 30 signs this way, I maybe be going totally the wrong way about it!, but I can honestly say we havent had a single letter fall off in 5 years

    cheers

    Simon.

  • David Rogers

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Simon, I don’t think anyone is commenting as to the quality of your fixing method…just that foamed PVC is not a ‘great’ material for this particular application. (Large size, moulded letters, dark colouring) It can last for umpteen year in some areas…or be utterly screwed in two summers with UV damage / having rocks tossed at it.

    Dave

  • Gavin MacMillan

    Member
    March 27, 2008 at 8:47 am
    quote David Rogers:

    UV damage / having rocks tossed at it.

    UV damage I agree with but all signs can get vandalised and although composite board will hold up better it’ll still look rubbish. I’m about to do another job in this way onto 10mm extra (foam with a recycled core) for a customer we did one for 3 years ago, all is well with his other signs and he wants more. We flood coated the boards though as to me using coloured foam outdoors screams cowboy unless for very short term use.

    G

  • David Crocker

    Member
    March 29, 2008 at 8:20 pm
    quote Gavin MacMillan:

    quote David Rogers:

    UV damage / having rocks tossed at it.

    UV damage I agree with but all signs can get vandalised and although composite board will hold up better it’ll still look rubbish. I’m about to do another job in this way onto 10mm extra (foam with a recycled core) for a customer we did one for 3 years ago, all is well with his other signs and he wants more. We flood coated the boards though as to me using coloured foam outdoors screams cowboy unless for very short term use.

    G

    The customer requested it, and in that colour. What the customer wants, they get.

    I agree it’ll fade fast, its a horrible red that screams "Sun…fade me now!"

    Thanks all
    Dave.

  • Lynn Normington

    Member
    March 29, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Dave if thats what the customer wants 🙄 but why not flood coat white for the colour at least you know that way it wont fade

    Lynn

  • Gavin MacMillan

    Member
    March 31, 2008 at 7:00 am

    I completely agree with Lynn.

    G

  • David Crocker

    Member
    March 31, 2008 at 10:36 am
    quote Gavin MacMillan:

    I completely agree with Lynn.

    G

    Again, the customer was on a silly low budget. The actual foam board is red, the vinyl is white. I know she’s going to come back after the summer to find out why she has a pink sign, but i have tried to explain this – i guess some customers wont listen.

    "We flood coated the boards though as to me using coloured foam outdoors screams cowboy unless for very short term use. " G

    Is that at me?

    Anyways cheers all, the sign is up now, looks nice but problems to come. You pays your money….

    Dave.

  • David-Foster-

    Member
    March 31, 2008 at 10:55 am
    quote David Crocker:

    the customer was on a silly low budget.

    Was that the £700? Put a photo up, let’s have a look what she got for £700?

  • Gavin MacMillan

    Member
    March 31, 2008 at 11:04 am
    quote :

    Is that at me?

    sorry came over like I was having a go, not intentional. Funny though because I’m totally in the middle, foam board is a great material indoors and out, we have signs that have been up for 5+ years in foam no problem. Also people saying not to use foam seem to be giving prices for composite aluminium that suggests using some of the cheaper alternatives so it really is each to there own. For an extra 5mtrs of vinyl on a £700 job to flood coat, using coloured foam doesn’t make sense to me.

    G

  • Brian Little

    Member
    March 31, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    foamx ….id never use the stuff ….dibonds the only boy on the block foamx …fart in the wrong direction and its bust

  • David Crocker

    Member
    March 31, 2008 at 3:53 pm
    quote David-Foster-:

    quote David Crocker:

    the customer was on a silly low budget.

    Was that the £700? Put a photo up, let’s have a look what she got for £700?

    If i get time to un-tie the brush thats currently attached to me i’ll upload a pic no problem. 😉

    I warn you tho that its a hideous design! I more than know my way around photoshop and i design a lot of graphics too. But this customer just wanted the name of the shop, tel number and address – no snazzifying, no BG images, no nothing – just letters on a sign! (Ive not even put our name to it, i really dont want people to know i did it! Now that says something when you dont want referals from your work!)

    I bet y’all cant wait to see it now lol.

    Stay tuned, when i get a chance ill snap a pic.

    @ Gavin, apology accepted there, no worries 😉

    thanks all again
    Dave.

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