MemberAugust 28, 2020 at 12:16 pm
My friend had his van wrapped well partial wrap and I am not sure if this is how it should be finished.
They seemed to have placed the green down first and the over layered with the grey but have left a huge overlap which to me looks unsightly.
I am no wrapper so have no idea if this is the norm.
MemberAugust 28, 2020 at 12:35 pm
I’m not a vehicle wrapper either but that seems like an odd and untidy way to go about things!
MemberAugust 28, 2020 at 3:20 pm
I don’t think there’s a right or wrong way. But the overlaps certainly look a little large.
I’m sure some of the green could have been cut in the plotter and butted up, or with a small overlap, even trimmed with a blade and ruler.
Whether that did cut the green in the plotter, and apply it first, then use knifeless tape to cut the matt black?
Overall, it’s a nice design, colours… just those overlaps when up close.
You could trim the overlap back possibly, but that’ll make the green broader, and may need to trim off the other side?
MemberAugust 28, 2020 at 5:07 pm
Really nice design. I wouldn’t personally have done it this way. I would have applied the black first. Right to where the green edges were to be. Then the green on top flush to the edge.
I would also generally advocate that the green is the same media as the wrap. If the green is calendered vinyl this may cause future problems. Especially under the wrap. Although that’s usually the case in a recess. Might be fine here.
MemberAugust 28, 2020 at 5:57 pm
Perhaps the vinyl used has a particularly high shrink back rate
MemberAugust 28, 2020 at 8:22 pm
Green down last personally. As now the grey edge, top layer is facing towards the front of the vehicle.
Doubt it makes any difference to be honest. But I believe that’s how we are ment to do it. If a slight edge lifted it would be taking the wind of the van moving forward.
It is a nice design though. I Like it.
MemberAugust 28, 2020 at 8:26 pm
Other than the overlap debate they do appear to have fitted it well though.
MemberAugust 28, 2020 at 9:19 pm
Quality of the install looks really good and they’re obviously experienced at what they do so would assume they’ve done it this way to give the vinyls more dimension. Used as an effect
MemberAugust 29, 2020 at 7:07 am
either the green or the black has to overlap a bit. Maybe it is a bit much, but the driver is the only person really who will see this close up.
MemberAugust 29, 2020 at 7:19 am
Do you think so Simon? I still think that I would have the whole design on in the black first then the green on top to either the right or left edge of the black. IE the green doesn’t touch the paintwork of the van anywhere. No overlap showing at all then. Just my opinion of course. Few different ways to do it and you are right, most people aren’t going to notice.
MemberAugust 29, 2020 at 11:19 am
You are right, but the green goes straight into paintwork at some point, and so there has to be either a perfect lineup there or the green should overlap the vinyl below by a small amount.
MemberAugust 29, 2020 at 9:10 pm
I’d go for perfect line-up with the green on top of the black myself . No need for it to touch the van at all.
AdministratorAugust 30, 2020 at 12:37 am
I think its a nice design and it works well.
I think that regardless of our installation preference. If the overlap has to be there, it is far too big!
Personally, If I was installing it and i wanted the overlap, I think I would have laid the green first too. But my reason for this is the “adhesion”. I do not like to apply a vinyl to any textured surface, such as matt, or brushed etc unless it has a high gloss finish.
Matt and brushed finish vinyl, tend to have a micro-texture on the surface and can result in the stacked vinyl lifting.
I hate to point out something in case it is the lighting of the picture. But based on what I can see, I think the wrapped matt black is failing at the top recess where it has double the thickness of the vinyl in the recess.
You can also see on the door that the entire graphic green panel is overlapped at one part on the door.
It is most likely the person that is designing has maybe not welded/clipped the graphics on-screen, so they had no option to overlap during the installation as they have already been cut.
If you can live with the overlaps, then it is a nice van design. but I would bring the failed recess to their attention because that section must be replaced, trying to fix it is not advised, it will be an ongoing fail unless changed.
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MemberAugust 30, 2020 at 8:37 am
I definitely agree on the stacking of vinyl on textured surfaces Rob. I have though been successful on satin and matte but I always insist that both vinyls are the same and each layer must be post heated properly and individually. No good trying I to post heat two stacked layers. Asking for trouble.
MemberAugust 30, 2020 at 2:41 am
Rob you are a guru at this!
I hadnt thought of the textured surface, and I certainly missed the recess fail.
Big ups to you m8!
MemberAugust 30, 2020 at 8:10 am
The lifting vinyl came up within 48hrs of being fitted and the overlaps are very noticeable from about 2 meters away so even when parked up it looks odd.
As I say this is a clients vehicle but I didn’t have anything to do with the van as I don’t do wrapping. I just wanted to know if, apart from the obvious lifting should he be accepting the big overlaps as well?
MemberAugust 31, 2020 at 9:27 am
I really do not understand why the huge overlaps are used?
It is a nice design and looks well fitted. other than the fail rob points out!
I don’t see why you need to do this.
MemberAugust 31, 2020 at 2:48 pm
Nicely installed, overlaps are waaaay to big. I like Rob would have laid the green first with the Matte on top but i wouldn’t have left huge overlaps like that, imo if you HAVE to overlaps no bigger that a few mm. 10mm max! well thats what i do when putting wraps on trailers. As for the recess fail, i know i personally have had problems with recesses if the vinyl was a cheap brand…. 3m primer usually sorts it
MemberSeptember 1, 2020 at 10:15 pm
My views on this have been voiced a few times in this thread, so I won’t repeat again. but as much as we are agreeing the installation looks nice. It is actually the installation that’s the worst part about it.
By that I mean, the big over-laps and the failed recess.
MemberSeptember 4, 2020 at 2:10 pm
I don’t think the overlap is a big issue or wrong so much, its not going to come apart and from a few meters away would not be seen or noticed, failure is an issue but we all have them from time to time, would be interested to see a photo of the other side with the extra door handles, door running rail etc. These sorts of designs always tend to look better on one side of the van to the other in my opinion.
MemberSeptember 4, 2020 at 6:37 pm
I would have left a small gap between the black & green personally, had both on full contact with the paint. Good design though, I like it
AdministratorSeptember 4, 2020 at 8:14 pm
If you look at where the fail starts and stops. It is on the double layer.
This can happen if the post-heating over the twin layer is not intense or prolonged enough.
It is a common failure on vehicles where full wrapped digital prints cross recessed areas, the overlap pops. there are a few reasons for this, but one is if you look closely at my picture.
The lower layer of vinyl has popped back, lifting the top layer adhered to it.
This is most likely because the two layers have been post heated while stacked like they are.
when you take the surface reading with a laser (that’s IF ones actually been used) the reading is taking the “surface” of the vinyl. in this case, the top layer. however, if the heat hasn’t hit the post-heat recommended temperature, then the lower layer will be that bit cooler again. so the bottom layer pops, taking the top layer with it.
You should be post-heating each layer as you apply it. not sometime later, or later again, when the two layers have been fitted.
Pull-back tension happens the instant the vinyl is applied and continues to happen until it has been post-heated. you must cure it as soon as possible.
MemberSeptember 4, 2020 at 8:24 pm
Absolutely agree Rob. Post heating is so important. I like to post heat a recessed area almost immediately after fitting. Also two layers should always be treated individually.
I’ve seen a few failures in recessed areas where calandered vinyl is used on top of a cast wrap. Nooooo…..
MemberSeptember 9, 2020 at 1:03 pm
I guess as others have said, it could be an experiment/technique to add depth/texture but more likely perhaps the design bod just messed up on the dimensions and/or the template used so ended up with wonky sizes.
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