MemberMarch 18, 2020 at 9:49 am
I am in the market for a printer cutter although i’m not 100% sure whats best for my money – budget or around £2k.
Currently, i am using a Cameo 3 cutter for vinyls but I would like to start printing onto vinyl for outdoor uses; car graphics, stickers etc etc. I would also like to print onto coloured vinyls if possible (would I need to lay down a white ink first)?
I have seen the Roland BN-20 and that seems a good fit; would this be suitable for my needs and what are the general running costs?
Can the Roland BN-20 print clearly onto coloured vinyl – yellow vinyl for instance without changing a blue print to green due to the yellow and blue mixing!
Any info is greatly appreciated!
MemberMarch 18, 2020 at 10:55 am
If can can stretch even to a SP300 or similar I’d skip the BN20. We started with one , its really slow to print, has a terrible dryer, and a waste ink tank that needs replacing (although I screwed our apart when it was full and filled it with sanitary towels!). Our supplier nicknames them boomerang 20’s as their no sooner out their door till their back for a trade in .
MemberMarch 18, 2020 at 11:03 am
The CMYK process requires that the ink be printed onto a white background for the colours to be correct. If you print onto a coloured background this will affect the print. e.g printing blue onto a yellow background is likely to result in a green print. This is true of any printer that uses CMYK ink
MemberMarch 18, 2020 at 11:56 amquote David Stevenson:
[emoji23] nobody like a signwriter to be that resourceful mate, was that a permanent solution or just monthly?
MemberMarch 18, 2020 at 12:04 pm
I personally don’t believe in non-laminated print, therefore print and cut mashine is a big NO for me. If you are aiming at vehicle graphics, non laminated graphics will create unhappy customers.
I have them as separate:
I have a Mutoh. I’m surprised not many people have Mutoh. My second Mutoh.
I guess it will all depend on your business model. I do not print big quantities, my ValueJet 1624 is not fast, but everything that gets out of the workshop is top quality.
2k budget is low for separate machines, that’s another issue.
MemberMarch 18, 2020 at 12:18 pmquote Kevin Mahoney:
Funny you say that Kevin, we noticed at got a bit moody around the same time each month 🙁
MemberMarch 18, 2020 at 12:52 pm
[quote="Pane Talev"]I personally don’t believe in non-laminated print, therefore print and cut mashine is a big NO for me.
Pane, I’ve run print & cut machines for years & laminate everything we produce, its the same crop mark registration as you would use on your set up. But I am about to take the plunge on a separate machine set up when all of the panic is over of course. One of the board members on here is about to hopefully print a job for me & the sample print he’s done is probably one of the best I’ve ever seen so it looks like a machine that we should be using
MemberMarch 18, 2020 at 2:36 pm
If you only have a 2k budget and you want to print solids onto coloured vinyl you can look at a pre loved Gerber Edge and cutter. This printer is a thermal ribbon printer transfer and doesn’t need any lamination and a second hand unit should cost you well under 2k as long as you can live with a limited width of 378mm wide.
I have a a couple of customers that have moved over to HP latex and have for sale Mimaki JV33 machines and would probably take £2k or less for them, but you would as the guys have touched on need to buy a laminator and in this case a cutter.
If you have enough work to finance one , that would be an option
MemberMarch 19, 2020 at 1:17 pm
Thank you for all the comments so far; it’s greatly appreciated.
In reality, I could possibly stretch my budget to £3K and could work with a width of 304mm.
I would apply most of my prints to a wet transparent acrylic so laminating wouldn’t be essential to begin with but thanks for letting me know that I would need to consider this when doing car graphics.
I do have a Cameo3 which is a vinyl cutter. I could possibly print registration marks, print onto my media and then cut via the cameo so maybe I don’t necessarily need a printer/cutter?
Would I be better off just purchasing a standalone printer and standalone laminator and use my current cameo to cut to shape and size; I believe the cameo can handle media of 12′ wide (304mm)?
So, looking at this a bit more would I be better off purchasing a standalone printer that can laydown a white ink? Currently i only have a CYMK laser printer which doesn’t print onto vinyl very well.
Your comments are appreciated!
MemberMarch 19, 2020 at 1:33 pmquote Carl Hanley:
Carl we have a Roland XR640 which can lay down white ink and find it a very disappointing finish. Printing speed is reduced dramatically and opacity isn’t the best. What we tend to do if we need white is print on a clear material then laminate that onto a piece of white vinyl. You could possibly buy a small laminator on eBay etc if you’ve only doing small prints. A bit tedious though for you get bigger print runs
MemberMarch 20, 2020 at 12:54 pm
i have a vs540 with white ink and as said can be disappointing at times but generally adequate.. the real problem is a 220 cart is £90 ish and you have to keep using it and shaking the cart its a real pain unless use have a regular use for it.
there are i think more machines out there with white that have either blocked up heads so not used or cleaning carts fitted. just to make things worse cap tops and waste pumps need changing more frequently i could go on.
but a means to a end and luckily we have several customers requiring white regular enough to make it work.
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