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  • Personal opinion/experience of Robocutter required please?

  • David Rogers

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    November 12, 2014 at 11:57 am

    These machines look quite good for the mid-use user doing the odd set of letters etc.

    robocutters.co.uk

    Anybody out there actually running one.

    looking at a 1200×1200 OX MAX
    with everything uprated to the max for a studier, more powerful machine.
    KRES spindle / double plates at joints etc.

    dave

  • Luke Culpin

    Member
    November 12, 2014 at 10:38 pm

    That’s just the sort of thing we would benefit from, at the right price to, would be great to hear of any bodies experiences. Even a 1.5 x 3m Is only £3000! Very interested!

  • Stephen Morriss

    Member
    November 13, 2014 at 10:40 am

    routoutcnc.com Also do a small CNC, works well and I know the bloke is happy to help when you have problems.

    A friend of mine had one for a few years and he worked it hard cutting oak waymarker signs and other little bits and bobs, the only problem he ever had was the old computer he used to install Mach3 on.

    Steve

  • Steve Maple

    Member
    November 13, 2014 at 10:17 pm

    anyways if you have some pay-pal go on ebay.com and get

    1. USB breakout board £33

    2. -three of these Toshiba 6600 drivers £30

    3. one of these 36v power supply £22

    4. go to Maplins and buy a iec fused and switched chassis socket£4

    5.electronics project box 300 by 200 by 100 £34

    6. motor connectors buy 6 drills out the centres and use them as glands – looks tidy

    7. 5 metres of 7 core 1.5mm core shielded cy cable

    8. 3 NEMA 23 motors

    9. Makita rt0700 router trimmer variable speed 700watts

    build yourself a 3 axis, USB, 36v, 2.5a, Toshiba chipped, 1/16 step resolution, Sanyo Denki motored, controller for mach3

    driver on off off – 1/16

    note 7 core – 4 for motors 2 for limit switches there is an earth in there just to loop the field back

  • David Rogers

    Member
    November 14, 2014 at 9:02 am

    Thanks for taking the time, especially to look up that list of parts.

    However, it’s pretty specifically THIS supplier I’m after any relevant experiences with…even better with this model.

    I’ve simply no time to build one and tinker around…minimal assembly and working within a day is what I’m after.

    Various reasons dictate price bracket (sub £2k), size and the easy life it’s going to have, so I don’t want to drop £5-£8k and have it take years to pay for itself.

    Dave

  • Phill Fenton

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    November 14, 2014 at 9:47 am

    It’s still a kit Dave – and if you haven’t built one before will take some time to put together. Still it looks sturdy enough and is well priced. I thoroughly recommend you buy this book even if not planning a home build as it’s a mine of information

  • David Rogers

    Member
    November 14, 2014 at 10:43 am

    quote Phill Fenton:It’s still a kit Dave – and if you haven’t built one before will take some time to put together. Still it looks sturdy enough and is well priced. I thoroughly recommend you buy this book even if not planning a home build as it’s a mine of information

    I was having them prebuild it into large sections for minimal hassle. none of this cutting lengths and drilling holes malarkey.

    Arrive as gantry, sides, prewired etc. etc. Few quid extra…lot less buggering about.

  • Stephen Morriss

    Member
    November 14, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    Like Phill said it looks sturdy and well made if all the cuts are square and to the correct length then it’ll be a good base.

    I’ve used similar section on mine but it’s slightly different size (wider but not as tall) and mine is strong enough to do any sign materials, I’ve even cut 6mm Aluminium on mine with fine cuts and while it wasn’t as good as a milling machine it was fine for the use it was being put to.

    Will it have all the control setup and connected?
    What software are you looking at using? Mach, LinuxCNC etc

    Get a good quality spindle though, cheap ones are VERY noisy while Kress etc are relatively quiet. Cost a bit more but worth it.

    Steve

  • David Rogers

    Member
    November 14, 2014 at 2:41 pm
    quote Stephen Morriss:

    Like Phill said it looks sturdy and well made if all the cuts are square and to the correct length then it’ll be a good base.

    I’ve used similar section on mine but it’s slightly different size (wider but not as tall) and mine is strong enough to do any sign materials, I’ve even cut 6mm Aluminium on mine with fine cuts and while it wasn’t as good as a milling machine it was fine for the use it was being put to.

    Will it have all the control setup and connected?
    What software are you looking at using? Mach, LinuxCNC etc

    Get a good quality spindle though, cheap ones are VERY noisy while Kress etc are relatively quiet. Cost a bit more but worth it.

    Steve

    I was quoted up on:

    The OX MAX CNC
    1500 x 1500 bed
    Complete Electronics Package
    Kress 1050 Spindle Upgrade
    Par TB660 Controller 1 0.00 0.00
    Build All Gantries Built up

    Software will be Mach and running on an old PC we’ve got around.

    Dave

  • Stephen Morriss

    Member
    November 14, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    Sounds like it should be ok.
    I presume they are they going to provide a setup file for Mach so you don’t have to do any setup, otherwise it’s a bit of a learning curve getting it all running.

    Steve

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    November 14, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    A lot depends on what you are looking to do with the machine, materials you want to be able to cut rather than the amount of actual running hours.

    You have mentioned mach3 but is it coming with any other software? You can use the software you currently use for design but you will need something to generate toolpaths for mach3

  • Steve Maple

    Member
    November 14, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    IF I were you………..
    buy sell on the controller for £500

    make a USB controller
    use the machines motors and cables
    buy new 36 volts 10 amp psu
    3 toshiba tb6600 drives
    buy a leafboy usn break out board for £109
    buy the box
    ferrite rings and iec chassis socket

    this is exactly ewhat I have

    run it 36 volts 2.5a
    1/16 micro stepping
    the screws are 16mm fat with a 5mm pitch, run mach3 at 760 steps per.

    buy DOUBLES of all your elastics so you have a COMPLETE SPARE controller

    wire it up YOURSELF so you know when it goes wrong you can SIMPLY FIX IT

    P.s as you want a mere 1220 square machine, i dictates that you don’t want to do a full sheet anyway, so a smaller machine will do you.

    IF you buy this isel I can tell you actzacery what to do, even as much as get the guy who made my motor mounts make you a pair, as I have the exact machine

    the makita rt0700 mini router is the BEST for the money, plus you can buy them in the shops locally – plus get back £40 on the base – i did!!!

    down load mach3

    down load the sheetcam tng demo – corel to g-code software 2.5d
    these are both £125 each – use you exisiting machine – usb!!!
    export from your ORIGINAL drawing hpgl – pen 1 layer 1

    EDIT you will need a z axis stuff is the shizzlickles, in so much as you WILL NOT FIND better cnc stuff
    PLUS these things are MODULAR – in effect you can lengthen the X USING stock stuff

    PLUS you could EVEN simply go the panasonic minas a4-a5 servo set upIF you found a used set, then it would be sweet

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  • David Rogers

    Member
    November 14, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    Thanks,

    but not remotely interested in ebay or building my own!

    Why I’m being specific about this…it fits, budget, size, projected use.
    After feedback on this supplier if anybody has experience with them.

    Cheers

    Dave

  • Steve Maple

    Member
    November 14, 2014 at 6:18 pm

    ok.
    you will regret having to use a parralell port old pc
    you will regret not having a usb controller with seperate drivers
    you will regret not having 8 wire bi polar parralell motors at 36 volts
    you will regret not having 1605 precicion ground ballscrews isel bearings
    you will regret not having isel anti backlash ball nuts
    you will regret not having your end stop switches hidden in the motor covers
    you will regret not having cy sheilded cabling
    you will regret not having a thick t-slot bed
    you will regret not having thk bearings and rails
    you will regret not having plastic sheilds on the y axis

    thast 10 reasons

  • David Rogers

    Member
    November 14, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    11. I’m regretting starting this thread. 😕

    But seriously, I know that you are enthusiastic about this. ..I’m, well, not if I’m honest.

    Will it do what I want it to do?…general consensus is. ..yes, but spend more time and money and get better performance or larger area if I want.

    Dave

  • Stephen Morriss

    Member
    November 14, 2014 at 8:16 pm

    I think he’s also the UK supplier for VinylMaster but that’s only me thinking that.
    Robocutter is also on Ebay and he is the Uk supplier for VinylMaster and their both based in Middlesbrough so what are the chances?

    Anyway I bought VinylMaster from him and all was fine, look up his feedback See if that link works.

    Steve

    Edit because shift Key keeps messing up caps.

  • Gert du Preez

    Member
    November 15, 2014 at 10:19 am

    David,

    I’m also a CNC nut, but have to say:That machine you are looking at, seems to check all the boxes for hobby / occasional / light use.

    Certainly things like wood, engraving laminates, acrylic etc will be no problem. Don’t know how rigid it is, but even alu should cut fine, given correct feed parametres. I also like the flexibility – you basically decide size and specs.

    @Steve: At home my hobby machine is also an Isel, also with USBCNC breakout board, also with Toshiba 6600 chipped drivers. Only difference, I use 8x microstepping, and drive my original 2A per phase Isel’s steppers at 3.5A (1.75A per phase) @ 44.9 Volts.

    I’m using the original Isel power supply. Ripped everything else out of the C116 controller box, and replaced as above.

    Mine has 16mm screws with 4mm pitch. And the brilliant double supported Isel rails. Size about 585 x 970 cutting area. (and a Kress Spindle.)

    BTW, do you perhaps have a contact where I can source linear bearings and ball nuts for the Isel (Gantry 1 system) – I have been unable to find any in Southern Africa.

    Sorry for the kind of hijack, David :lol1:

  • Steve Maple

    Member
    November 15, 2014 at 11:30 am

    merchandise stock the isel 1604 ball nut
    the bearings are split bosch items on the fb1 – not the fb2, thats why the gantry is slimmer, the later fb2 uses 1 piece rail bearings = anyways, I think as the fb1 is so old, finding the ‘ bosch Rexroth ‘ tychoway bearing might be an issue, as you know they are in two bits = old school 1985 too……..
    although the fb2 I have is from 1988 – its still the current model…. the isel = expensive – best

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  • Chris Wool

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    November 15, 2014 at 11:49 am

    dave i would ask steve to build you one 😀 if i thought i had the time i want one.

  • Steve Maple

    Member
    November 15, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    quote Chris Wool:dave i would ask steve to build you one 😀 if i thought i had the time i want one.
    hello.
    Its really quite simple my next move is to build a stand alone full atx tower pc, with all the latest giblets
    i9 chip
    32gb ram
    4gb graphics
    4tb hdd

    note you can’t run a parralell port at 64 bit windows!!! 32bit only
    and fit the cnc controller giblets inside the case
    usb connection straight to board – 3 motor wires in
    then utilise the pc’s case cooling and have extra fans direct to the drivers
    .

    corel
    sheetcam
    mach3

    note, its because the drives are now 2 by 3 inch, and the breakout is small

    the psu can come out of its case and sit inside the pc tower, get the heat out

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    November 15, 2014 at 1:34 pm
    quote Chris Wool:

    dave i would ask steve to build you one 😀 if i thought i had the time i want one.

    I wouldn’t Chris, not if you are looking for a system that needs to be reliable & is going to last, kit he has listed is all Cheap as chips Chinese stuff it’s all cloned not original manufacturers. May be ok for a hobby system but not something you want if you are using a machine for business.

  • Chris Wool

    Member
    November 15, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    anyway our main man and scribe up noorf did with MDF

  • Denise Goodfellow

    Member
    November 15, 2014 at 2:37 pm
    quote Chris Wool:

    dave i would ask steve to build you one 😀 if i thought i had the time i want one.

    We want one too please lol xxx

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    November 15, 2014 at 3:02 pm
    quote Chris Wool:

    anyway our main man and scribe up noorf did with MDF

    Got to admit Chris Phill did a very good job with that machine & it’s still running but it does have a lot of limitations. Phill is the first to admit that, it did work out well for a science project though, I was never happy with the accuracy of the one I built & it had to many limitations when it came to cutting for me which is why I took what I learned from that & moved on.

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    November 15, 2014 at 3:04 pm

    Denise the one Dave linked to would be ok to get you started & it’s about as cheap as you will get for a start up machine.

  • Steve Maple

    Member
    November 17, 2014 at 5:33 pm

    new out october this year 24v usb bobs – lets you run a servo pulse train at 24v from mach3

    who bought that isel fb2 then……………………

  • David Rogers

    Member
    November 17, 2014 at 6:13 pm
    quote Steve Maple:

    i9 chip
    32gb ram
    4gb graphics
    4tb hdd

    note you can’t run a parralell port at 64 bit windows!!! 32bit only
    and fit the cnc controller giblets inside the case
    usb connection straight to board – 3 motor wires in
    then utilise the pc’s case cooling and have extra fans direct to the drivers
    ….t

    Where did you get your i9 processors as intel don’t don’t seem to make them?

    I run a parallel & serial port on W7 64bit…been doing it for years…it’s how my plotter works.

    As it’s just a CAD program with virtually no polygon processing…how will a 4Gb graphics card make any difference?

    Just askin’ as it seems highly over-specified for a CNC controller.

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    November 17, 2014 at 9:56 pm
    quote DavidRogers:

    quote Steve Maple:

    i9 chip
    32gb ram
    4gb graphics
    4tb hdd

    note you can’t run a parralell port at 64 bit windows!!! 32bit only
    and fit the cnc controller giblets inside the case
    usb connection straight to board – 3 motor wires in
    then utilise the pc’s case cooling and have extra fans direct to the drivers
    ….t

    Where did you get your i9 processors as intel don’t don’t seem to make them?

    I run a parallel & serial port on W7 64bit…been doing it for years…it’s how my plotter works.

    As it’s just a CAD program with virtually no polygon processing…how will a 4Gb graphics card make any difference?

    Just askin’ as it seems highly over-specified for a CNC controller.

    Dave I think Steve is referring to Mach3 in regards to the parallel port not the actual parallel port itself.
    Mach3 does a lot of things that the parallel port wasn’t designed to do & will only run on a 32 bit system if connected via parallel port. You also seem to be limited to windows xp or previous windows versions if connecting via parallel port.
    Lots of people are now using USB or Ethernet motion control boards because of these limitations but these tend to be more expensive to start with.
    My machine has it’s own old computer which has next to no software on it but some people do everything on the one machine, guessing Steve’s new machine is to allow him to do all his work as well as run the CNC machine. As you say complete waste of money just to control the CNC.

  • Steve Maple

    Member
    November 21, 2014 at 9:13 am

    have you got the room for it?

    8 by 4 table for a monkey
    with auto tool changer that you can flog on….
    plus the electronics that can re-sell.

    vacummnnnnnnnn mmmm

    I bet it has servo motors too.

    plus a 3kw spindle

    rack and pinion

    its a 2003 model,

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