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  • No more blank vans on the road in the UK!

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Apparently it is already law or just about to be announced as law…
    that it will soon become illegal for commercial vehicles to be on the road without at least company name, legal addresses and contact number.
    we have had two unrelated customers come to us saying they have been pulled over by traffic police stating contact info must be shown on sides and rear of the vehicle. "even though one of them has a huge logo on four sides and is very well known in our area with a fleet of vehicles."
    the other was a coach builders that contacted us asking to come and see them for this very same reason…
    i do not know the ins and outs of it but some of the things the police told them it is to prevent benefit fraud, bogus tradesmen, travelers, employment of illegal immigrants and the like…

    anyone else hearing same? obviously good news for us lot! 😉

  • Peter Normington

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Rob, psv (buses) have a legal requirement to display the operators name and address, at the moment, commercial vehicles don’t.
    I haven’t heard of any changes recently, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
    doubt if will apply to vans and the like though, maybe its just a Scottish thing?

    Peter

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    this is definitely vans… my customer was driving a new shape sprinter covered in his company logo when the traffic police pulled him. from what he said they had a road block pulling over vans… there was about 6 stopped in a lay-by at the time he got pulled. the couch builders don’t actually do buses etc more vans and pickups etc kit them out and spray… they have been told same so I’m guessing it must be true… that was two of our customers within a few days. could be just Scotland but not for long ide imagine if it is…

  • John Childs

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    I believe that’s the case in parts of Europe, but I’ve never heard of it here.

    I’m not sure how you could make it work anyway. You’d need to define a commercial vehicle when even Nissan Micras are in the PLG (private light goods) taxation class.

  • Phill Fenton

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    I haven’t heard anything – but good news once again for Scottish signmakers.

    The Scottish parliament did us all a favour by banning smoking creating a demand for no smoking signs. Looks like they’ve done it again creating a demand for van signs.

    :yeeha:

  • John Thomson

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    I have been told recently that a street trader with an unmarked van had been told that he needed to have contact details on it…….I assumed he was talking crap!….perhaps not?

  • Peter Normington

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Definate a Scottish thing, not a legal requirement in Europe. (some national rules apply though)

    so how will it work? a vinyl sticker will make a cowboy driveway firm legit?

    will it apply to the owner, or the operator, or the hire /lease firm?

    The police can check out the owner of any vehicle in seconds, so just wonder what the advantage would be, especially as it would be easy to buy a sticker….

    Bureaucracy gone mad maybe..

  • Phill Fenton

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Come to think of it, we’ve had quite a few enquiries from new customers asking about van signs recently. I thought it was just the time of year.

  • Jill Marie Welsh

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    One can only hope we get a similar law over here!
    :lol1:
    I think after 9/11 it was ruled that certain vehicles could not have magnetic signs or even vinyl lettering when going into government jobs.
    That might be just a rumor tho.
    Love….Jill

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    i was stopped about a year ago… similar type road block on a busy road. (van had graphics on it) all in the van had to give name and address etc also asked how long with the company and the like.. maybe trial runs?

    i am not sure how it will all work but i am sure whatever the reason it will help deter a great many or they wouldn’t be enforcing it.

  • Nicola McIntosh

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    someone i know as a ‘white man van’ was pulled over by traffic…said they were doing so to see if there were illegal immigrants in van, and driver was told politely to put graphics on van, to stop getting pulled over again 😕 that was a few months back

    nik

  • Brian Hays

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    So what about private individuals that happen to have a van? how would that work? I know a couple of people that have a van purely for social use (both keen fishermen & bought to lug all their gear) what kind of Signs will they need? 😮

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    i might be wrong, but i recon it maybe something as simple as legals on all the doors, burger vans and buses have to have them by law.

    "company name" or "van owner"
    "business address" or "home address"
    contact number

  • Phill Fenton

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Yup – not only are we already an over regulated society – we are only a few steps away from becoming a police state and no longer a democracy.

    Years and years ago I spent my honeymoon in what was formerly called Yugoslavia (Back then a communist nation).

    I remarked to a local how come so many "youngsters" (i.e. under 18s) were allowed to drink in their bars?

    "It’s because we are a free country" he said (in all sincerity), "we do not have laws that prevent us from doing what we wish providing we do not harm others"

    I’m beginning to think he was right 🙄

  • Andy Gorman

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    I don’t know why they don’t just tattoo a barcode on our heads and be done with it.

    I’d love a copper to stop me and demand my name and address. I guarantee I’d spend that night in the cells.

    Man, this country is turning into Nazi Germany.

  • John Childs

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 10:53 pm
    quote Robert Lambie:

    buses have to have them by law.

    Not necessarily they don’t. 😀

    You can register a bus as a private vehicle if it is not used to carry paying passengers. Things like motorhome, horsebox and car transporter conversions, regardless of the number of seats left in it.

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 10:58 pm
    quote John Childs:

    Not necessarily they don’t.

    well if not, by the looks of things, they will soon! :lol1:

  • Peter Normington

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 11:05 pm
    quote John Childs:

    quote Robert Lambie:

    buses have to have them by law.

    Not necessarily they don’t. 😀

    You can register a bus as a private vehicle if it is not used to carry paying passengers. Things like motorhome, horsebox and car transporter conversions, regardless of the number of seats left in it.

    Still need a psv licence if over 16 passengers though, paying or not, and a hgv if over 7.5 tons (3.5 if license issued after 1998( About)
    I was talking about buses proper, not minbuses or motor homes etc

    slight difference John

    I have trawled vospa site no mention of signage on vans though, becoming law. I cant see it happening, or a reason for it, in fact just the opposite, anyone could buy a cheap chinese plotter and set up importing imigrants without suspicion if their van said "Bob the builder" on the side, could they not? Every sign would have to be registered and recorded if it were to make any sense. Probably a Scottish sign firm put out the rumour, to make a few extra quid..

    😀

    Peter

  • Graeme Harrold

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    For the first time in 5 years I saw the VOSA check point on the A5 being used near Nesscliffe, I wonder if that was one of the things they were doing checks for in addition to the usual safety stuff. It was all commercials piled up from Artics to Transits……………..Nice bit of work if it is a law on the way (pointless none the less, but a money maker!!)

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    well lets put it this way… we got about 15 vans to update as a result, and i will not be asking "are you sure this is law?" :lol1:
    two customers within a couple of days telling us the same tying is good enough for me to play along with it. :lol1:

  • John Childs

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 11:16 pm
    quote Peter Normington:

    I was talking about buses proper, not minbuses or motor homes etc

    slight difference John

    Not really Peter. I was talking about stuff converted from coaches.

    I wouldn’t call something weighing up to 7.5 tons (my licence was issued well before 1998 😀 ) a minibus.

  • Peter Normington

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 11:29 pm
    quote John Childs:

    quote Peter Normington:

    I was talking about buses proper, not minbuses or motor homes etc

    slight difference John

    Not really Peter. I was talking about stuff converted from coaches.

    I wouldn’t call something weighing up to 7.5 tons (my licence was issued well before 1998 😀 ) a minibus.

    John, conversions are no longer "buses" they can become private, but cannot be driven unless you have a lisence permiting you to do so if over 3.5t gvm, you may have grandfather rights to do so,
    but maybe a look here will clarify the rules

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Dr … DG_4022499

    Peter

  • Paul Humble

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    The government should stick to what they are good at and keep giving free mobile phones and cars to illegal immigrants and leave normal van owners alone.

    It is a blessing in disguise, I agree, but where does it end??

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    April 14, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    it wont end, they should cut to the chase and have all our right eye implanted with a tracking and thought chip. if we get out of line they can detonate the chip remotely, instantly blowing our heads off at the touch of a button from their desk. that way they cut back on prison overcrowding at the same time.

    taking it a bit far again ain’t i? see what too much 24 does to you! 😕

  • Phill Fenton

    Member
    April 15, 2008 at 7:45 am
    quote Peter Normington:

    Probably a Scottish sign firm put out the rumour, to make a few extra quid..

    😀

    Peter

    That’d be Robs firm then….looks like the rumour is working too 😛

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