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     Bill McMurtry updated 13 years, 9 months ago 13 Members · 21 Posts
  • Marius

    Member
    May 29, 2007 at 10:52 pm

    hello everybody who has couple min to help for junior 🙂

    basically i want to start this hobby/ business and i have plenty questions about it.
    Most important things which i need to do at first, is to choose right plotter. I know, that i will need 1200mm wide. Could you suggest me plotter for 1500£ roughly.

    Vinyls…. what kind of it is not expensive and good for car’s windows and tinware?

    Maybe somebody can suggest me more, before I start this hobby/ business.

    Big thanks for everyone.
    With regard
    Mario

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    May 29, 2007 at 10:57 pm

    Try reading through some of the posts already made, types of plotter and vinyl have been discussed many times. You could start by reading through the posts on plotters and then move on to the vinyls.
    You will probably find you will get answers to your questions much quicker that way.

  • Bill McMurtry

    Member
    May 29, 2007 at 11:01 pm

    Hello Mario.

    Based on the very basic questions you are asking I would suggest that you try to gain some experience in the business, perhaps as a trainee or apprentice. Maybe you could to try find work with a sign company or look for courses you could study in order to pick up some skills and confidence. IMO, a computer and a cutter does not a sign maker make – but it’s a good place to start 😀 Good luck.

  • Andy Gorman

    Member
    May 29, 2007 at 11:28 pm

    I think you need to decide whether it’s going to be a hobby or a business. For a hobby, you could pick up a cheap small plotter and learn how to do it at your leisure. A business is a different matter. As Bill said, a plotter and a computer is only the start……..

  • Nicola McIntosh

    Member
    May 30, 2007 at 11:18 am

    welcome to the boards mario 😀

    nik

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    May 30, 2007 at 11:33 am

    welcome aboard mate.. 😉

  • Marcella Ross

    Member
    May 30, 2007 at 12:02 pm

    Hi Mario

    welcome to the boards

    Marcella :welcome:

  • Phill Fenton

    Member
    May 30, 2007 at 12:58 pm

    Welcome Mario

    I don’t think you do need a plotter that’s 1220 wide. A 610 is perfectly adequate for 95% of jobs. If you need to cut wider you can always tile your work. My own machine is now 11 years old and I am thinking of replacing it soon – but this will be with another machine of similar size as I have no need for something bigger. A bigger machine would just take up more space and produce larger offcuts – much of which will end up as waste.

    Just my opinion

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    May 30, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    Phill, I would agree with you that for someone starting out then a 610 wide plotter would be adequate especially if they didn’t know if it was going to be a hobby or a business. I would also agree that a wider plotter will take up more space but I am not so sure about the extra waste vinyl.
    My graphtec will plot at just over a metre wide and on the odd occasion I have used it to plot at this width for certain jobs but generally I use 610 wide vinyl so there isn’t really any extra waste. If I were to replace my plotter I would probably look at another plotter that would plot this wide because I like to have the option but if I were starting out from scratch I would probably only buy a plotter wider than 610 if I had a specific need for it.

  • Marius

    Member
    May 30, 2007 at 6:13 pm

    yes i know that the best way to get more knowledge in it is to find a job.
    but when i came in UK i was looking everywhere in newspapers, Internet agencies, but i didn’t found any like sign makers.. ( sorry for mistakes )
    may be you know some sites or big companies who has vacancies in similar jobs.
    and thank you for welcomes
    with regard
    Mario

  • Harry Cleary

    Member
    May 30, 2007 at 6:26 pm

    Welcome Marius

  • Marius

    Member
    May 30, 2007 at 6:39 pm

    hello 🙂
    martin,Bill ,Andy ,Nicola,Robert,Marcella, Phill, Harry.
    thank you for advices!

  • Graeme Speirs

    Member
    May 30, 2007 at 9:01 pm

    hi mate and welcome,

    re a plotter, I bought my initial omega om80 (800mm wide) machine 3 years ago for £1k it has been excellent, I use it with corel and a plugin called co cut which came with it. The OM 80 machine would be perfect for you.
    There is a 1200 version of this and I reckon it will be around £1500. It paid for itself in the first 2 months easy and has never needed any repairs etc.

    I have since purchased a cadet plus 54" for digital printing but my omega cutter is still used daily.

    might be worth a look. I bought mine from signwizard.

    all the best
    still

  • Andrew Bennett

    Member
    May 31, 2007 at 9:59 am

    Welcome to the boards.

    You will get the best advice here.

  • Marius

    Member
    May 31, 2007 at 5:50 pm
    quote Andrew Bennett:

    Welcome to the boards.

    You will get the best advice here.

    hello Andrew, can you tell how much i need to ask for vinyl stick on a van ?
    i already have my firs client, but i don’t know prices in it..
    could you tell me roughly i need to ask for square meter or plotter cutting per meter?
    thank you 🙂

  • Lynn Normington

    Member
    May 31, 2007 at 6:44 pm

    Hi Marius, and welcome. you need to work out how much vinyl you will use, how much you pay for it including application tape. how long it will take you to cut weed apply application tape and apply to said vehicle, when you have these figures to hand, you know how much it will cost you, and now you can add your profit before you tell the customer your price.

    Lynn

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    May 31, 2007 at 7:32 pm

    Hi Marius, as Lynn has said you need to work this out for yourself as everybodys circumstances are different and what one person might charge might not be enough for another.
    My advice would be to phone some of the local sign companies in your area and ask for a price for vehicle livery based on the design you have for your customer. That way you will have a pretty good idea what you can charge for vehicle livery locally without being to expensive or to cheap.

  • Marius

    Member
    May 31, 2007 at 9:29 pm

    yea, martin i know that i can call anywhere and ask about it but i think is the same like u wrote o anybody.
    example 2 sq/meters tape,+ 0.5application tape, 4 hour’s total.?
    as i imagine its about 180?
    is it to cheap?
    if you can how u will charge for the same job..
    thanks !

  • Martin Pearson

    Member
    May 31, 2007 at 9:50 pm

    Marius, I don’t know if £180 is to cheap or to expensive, if other local sign companies are charging £400 for the same sort of work then £180 is far to cheap but if other local companies are charging £100 for similar work then it is to expensive.

    Thats why I said phone some local companies, you can only charge what the market is prepared to pay.

    I would be interested to know how you have come up with 4 hours as well, is that the time you think it will actually take you or what you think it should take you if you were a more experienced signmaker?

    Have you counted all your time? How long did the design take you and how many colours is it? Have you taken into account the time required to cut, weed and tape the graphics as well as the time to actually apply?

  • Peter Shaw

    Member
    June 1, 2007 at 7:44 am

    Can someone point me to the Brain Surgeon’s forum. I want to ask a couple of people about how much to charge for transplants. I read an article in a magazine about it and it seems quite easy. I’m just popping down to B&Q to get a stanley knife. If you could reply by the time I get back, I’ll be ready to start cutting heads open.

  • Bill McMurtry

    Member
    June 1, 2007 at 8:02 am

    :lol1: :lol1: :lol1:

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