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  • Ford custom van, how do you find a straight line to work from?

     Bernard Gallagher updated 4 months ago 9 Members · 14 Posts
  • Daniel Evans

    Member
    June 17, 2020 at 3:06 pm

    Afternoon all

    I’m sure this has been asked already but I couldn’t find it.

    I hate the ford custom in terms of lining up graphics on the side.

    Has anyone got a good reference point?

  • Simon Worrall

    Member
    June 17, 2020 at 3:34 pm

    Transit is all over the place.

    For this lwb transit I made sure all the tyres were equally pumped and used a laser level.
    The floor is level in my workshop.
    Seemed to work out as good as anything else!

  • Daniel Evans

    Member
    June 17, 2020 at 4:25 pm

    Hi Simon

    Thanks for that.

    So I’ve have always thought that the top of the front and rear arches were a straight line, your graphics confirm that.

  • Pane Talev

    Member
    June 17, 2020 at 5:48 pm

    I always do the same as Simon. Looks right.


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  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    June 18, 2020 at 4:38 am

    The easiest most consistent way is to use the sill on any vehicle.
    You MUST always have a game plan before starting to apply graphics. you cannot keep looking on every vehicle as a new task. Run with the sill line and you will be almost bang-on the money every time.

    look at where I have drawn the line, its almost running level with the centre of the wheels.
    keep in mind some vans will sit at more of a slight angle "when empty" as it’s built to carry heavy loads.
    running with the sill will keep that content too.


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  • Simon Worrall

    Member
    June 18, 2020 at 5:31 am
    quote Robert Lambie:

    The easiest most consistent way is to use the sill on any vehicle.

    I agree with you in principle Rob, but some sills are confusing and it isnt really clear (or easy) where to hook your tape measure without inventing some elaborate system to draw out the VISUAL base of the sill to a point where you can reliably measure from

    .. Heath Robinson comes to mind…

  • Chris Windebank

    Member
    June 18, 2020 at 12:13 pm

    From memory there is a 35mm difference from the top line left to right but always go from the sill up to make sure

  • Martyn Heath

    Member
    June 18, 2020 at 12:16 pm

    I often go with the eye. It doesnt lie

  • Robert Lambie

    Member
    June 18, 2020 at 12:57 pm
    quote Simon Worrall:

    I agree with you in principle Rob, but some sills are confusing and it isnt really clear (or easy) where to hook your tape measure without inventing some elaborate system to draw out the VISUAL base of the sill to a point where you can reliably measure from

    I never go for anything else other than the ridgeline on the sill, and it just works.

    The critical part is that we stand so close while laying the graphics we are focused on the contours of the vehicle when we should not be. it should be viewed on the whole, rather than section to section of the bodywork.

    Even when the vehicle is being designed, it’s the same, everything is placed level running off the level sill.

    Like is said, there will be instances it rises due to load suspension position or similar. but again, unless you have a game plan then every van is going to be a task and a half trying to decide where you want to run the graphics from.


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  • James Boden

    Member
    June 18, 2020 at 2:33 pm

    I agree. I always go off the sill.

    The Ford Custom, it really does play tricks on the mind when your laying the graphics. Especially on the driver & passenger doors. The graphics always look off when you’re right up to the vehicle but when you stand back they’re fine

  • Kevin Mahoney

    Member
    June 18, 2020 at 7:25 pm

    Not sure if I’m qualified to chip in on this post seeing as I can barely remember the last time I did a conventional‘straight’ logo on a custom panel, but for my money the custom shape makes it impossible to please everybody. The custom body lines have a vanishing point that meets about 20 feet behind the van, if you go level with the sill, it looks off, if you go parallel with the body line, you’ll have somebody tell you you must have one leg shorter than the other. I usually stay on the vanishing point & compromise with all the eagle eyed tradesmen that claim they don’t need a spirit level, their eyes are far more accurate

  • Pane Talev

    Member
    June 18, 2020 at 8:45 pm
    quote Simon Worrall:

    Transit is all over the place.

    For this lwb transit I made sure all the tyres were equally pumped and used a laser level.
    The floor is level in my workshop.
    Seemed to work out as good as anything else!

    When I said “I do it like Simon” I was referring to a white line I see on the photo of the van. I didn’t read the text.

    I now look carefully and I think this is metal wire.

    I measure from the seal. Every time.

    Two identical marks on each end marked from the seal. Using 2 magnets or two pieces of tape I stretch piece of string. (I could use my laser, but string is faster) I then alight all items to this string.

    Unless client insist, all graphics are done from seal.

    Like Robert does it:

    In my opinion this is not about pleasing some and not pleasing some folks. It is about doing it right. I strongly believe this is the right way [emoji6]

  • Simon Worrall

    Member
    June 19, 2020 at 7:06 am

    The more I think about it the more I think the laser level is not a bad way to do it.
    It is very convenient.

    And think about this:
    When you submit a design to your customer those designs are lined up with the horizontal.
    You dont rotate the designs so they line up with the sill. You submit them level.
    This is what the customer approves, it looks right on the screen, and this is what he expects to get and it looks right in real life too.

    Ill fetch the popcorn!

  • Bernard Gallagher

    Member
    June 20, 2020 at 5:55 pm

    Just had this conversation today with the boys in the workshop. We agreed go with your eye [emoji106]


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