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  • Avery "flat surface cleaner" blue vs green

  • Martyn Heath

    Member
    August 6, 2020 at 7:22 am

    Hi chaps. Ive been a long user of avery surface cleaner (green), i like the product but its a little pricey. Ive noticed there is a cheaper version, flat surface (blue) in 4l drums. Anyone compared the two performance wise?

  • Robert Lambie

    Administrator
    August 6, 2020 at 7:52 am

    I used to use it wrapping as well as during wrap training a lot!
    what I noticed is the original avery surface cleaner was a darker shade of green. but then changed to a sort of mint green like it is now.
    I also noticed that it would not remove pen marks as good as before, because I would mark panels during training with pen and wipe straight off after with the surface cleaner. but this stopped when the mint looking one appeared. so it’s weaker, possibly diluted

    I haven’t tried the blue version, I haven’t gone back to Avery cleaner since.

    I prefer to use 25 lite drums of isopropyl alcohol. you will get this from most good auto paint suppliers or janitorial supplies companies. just be sure to tell them you want 100% and not diluted, as that happens too! you can tell if its watered down as it tends to water bead on the surface and not dry as fast if it’s diluted.

  • Martyn Heath

    Member
    August 6, 2020 at 7:57 am

    Hi rob yes i noticed the colour got lighter a few years back and assumed the same that the strength had changed. So the green went to mint but how about this blue flat panel cleaner? wondering where that sits in this equation

  • Chris Wilson

    Member
    August 8, 2020 at 4:19 pm

    Possibly doesn’t even have IPA in it. I was told we are getting a price increase on it. But we buy in bulk. I would imagine there banking on the fact it’s not for recesses so doesn’t matter as if all the grease is off as there’s a big contact area.

    I use IPA bought from signgeer in 5L at a time for most jobs.

    I go over a van afterwords with Avery surface cleaner as it gives a better glide when putting down the wrap vinyl. But I don’t feel it does as good as IPA. On deep recesses I don’t let the surface cleaner touch it. Only other thing we use it for is windows.

    Also buy panel wipe in 5L from our local hardware store at £18 a tin. Tend to wipe vans down with this first. If it’s health and safety signs or something short term am not bothered, if that’s closer to me than the IPA, then it’s getting used.

  • Robert Lambie

    Administrator
    August 8, 2020 at 9:32 pm

    the thing is Chris, you could be right on your views mate, but vinyl manufacturers these days now stipulate the use of their own cleaners in particular to uphold, what in my view are non-existing product warranties!

  • Robert Lambie

    Administrator
    August 10, 2020 at 3:27 am

    @MartynHeath

    I have not used it Martyn, but if the difference between the green and blue is cost over performance. I would stick with the green for “everything”. The last thing I want is two cleaners in my workshop and the weak one is used on a wrap and I then have a fail on my hands as a result. I don’t know if that’s the case here with Avery bringing in the blue version, but I am guessing it is.

    for me, I prefer one product does all, hence the use of isopropanol. which I fully understand is not some manufacturers stipulations like Avery, 3M etc.

  • Gary Forbes

    Member
    August 10, 2020 at 5:46 pm

    Are the vinyl manufacturers not just rebranding cleaners with their name to make a margin?
    Not being funny, but I could print a label and stick it on the side of a cleaning bottle and call it Forbes Surface Cleaner. then tell my customers they must clean their van with my cleaner or the graphics might fail. in comes the customer with a dog-eared bit of vinyl on their van, complaining it needs to be fixed.

    shake my head. “Nah, you haven’t been using my Forbes surface cleaner mate. whatever you have used has damaged the graphics. I can fix it, but it will cost you!” Cowboy

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