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     RobStone updated 11 years, 9 months ago 8 Members · 27 Posts
  • Lorraine Clinch

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 8:19 am

    Before I get on the phone to various suppliers, is anyone able to tell me if there is a Contravision-type vinyl which comes black each side as standard?
    I’ve been having it printed, but now have an order for a batch of 50, over 1300mm wide, which I would quite like to be able to cut & supply in-house.

  • Jason Xuereb

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 8:28 am

    Is contra vision, one way vision or perforated vinyl?

    Doesn’t having it in black both sides make it translucent looking when applied to windows?

  • Lorraine Clinch

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 9:14 am

    Hi Jason, yes, the stuff with tiny holes in. I suppose it would look translucent.

    Lorraine

  • George Elsmore

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 9:24 am

    never seen it black each side Lorraine? the stuff i have used is black one side and printable white on t’other in fact its on my machine as we speak

  • Lorraine Clinch

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 9:44 am

    Hi George, I thought it would be a long shot, I’ll have to phone around & see, but potentially I could be taking most of the profit myself, instead of giving it away, in black ink! 😥

  • George Elsmore

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 10:19 am

    read your pm’s gal

  • Nick Dowell

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 10:38 am

    Hi Lorraine,

    Why don’t you just plot out holes from a roll of black vinyl? I know KMPF do solid vinyl @ 1520mm wide as do Grafityp.

    I suppose the only issue you may have is fitting it in your plotter if you only have a 1220mm machine – however surely the cost of printed contravision vs standard black vinyl @ 50m long would nearly pay for a wider plotter??

  • Lorraine Clinch

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Hi Nick-I did think of this, but the thought of weeding literally millions of tiny dots put me off!

  • Lorraine Clinch

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 10:47 am
    quote George Elsmore:

    read your pm’s gal

    Last one received was a couple of days ago! Who you PMing instead then?

  • George Elsmore

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 10:50 am
    quote George Elsmore:

    read your pm’s gal
  • Nick Dowell

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 10:52 am

    I did think of this but would you even need to weed the dots? When you peel the main layer of black away it would just leave the dots on the backing paper

  • Lorraine Clinch

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 10:56 am

    Hi Nick

    Unfortunately I couldn’t risk it, as I am only supplying, and the customer is VERY fussy.

  • Stuart Taylor

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    Lorraine

    Out of interest do you know what effect/result the client wants to achieve by using the perforated product this way ? It may seem strange me asking but the whole idea with One Way Products to be White/Black is in the name, the eye sees the white (or printed colours) and the eye ignores Black perforations as a tinted effect but still sees through the holes/gaps, therefore you see through the product one way and see White solid or a printed design the other way. In effect if you have Black both sides you have "Two Way Vision" or the effect of tinted glass. There may be alternate products more suitable if your client is trying to achieve tint/security/privacy etc etc

    Sorry if I’m asking a daft question or completely missing something here but have never been asked to provide a Black/Black One Way vision solution before.

    Stuart

  • Lorraine Clinch

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    Hi Stuart

    I know it sounds daft! (My question, I mean, not yours!)
    It’s to go on the rear window of tractors, to stop sun glare off the instruments. They also have their logo on it.

  • George Elsmore

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 3:09 pm
  • Lorraine Clinch

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Hi George, further to your call earlier I am doing just that. Can’t you hear my plotter cutting hundreds of 2mm wide strips? I’m timing it! 3 minutes so far, but I think it’s nearly there!

  • George Elsmore

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    you know it makes sense 😉

  • Lorraine Clinch

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Definitely! Thanks for reminding me about that thread, I had forgotten about it.

    I’m hoping it will be finished cutting before the customer comes for the contravision prints (which I just got out to check, and they are still wet 🙁 due to the printer guy not reading my email properly, and sent me 2 prints on normal vinyl :drama: so had to send Geoff back down to Norwich this pm to collect new ones. 🙄

    Still cutting at the mo-nearly done! I hope the weeding is as easy as Rob shows it!

  • Lorraine Clinch

    Member
    May 8, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    Right, that’s done!

    Weeded lovely, despite having armfuls of long narrow strips of vinyl draping everywhere! (That’s what it felt like, anyway) I’ll let you know how it goes when the customer collects.

  • Stuart Miller

    Member
    May 12, 2009 at 5:21 pm
    quote Lorraine Clinch:

    Hi Stuart

    I know it sounds daft! (My question, I mean, not yours!)
    It’s to go on the rear window of tractors, to stop sun glare off the instruments. They also have their logo on it.

    That sounds like a job for window tint, not contravision.
    reduce the heat and glare and no real reduction in visibility. Life span of 10 years.

  • George Elsmore

    Member
    May 19, 2009 at 1:27 pm
    quote Lorraine Clinch:

    Right, that’s done!

    Weeded lovely, despite having armfuls of long narrow strips of vinyl draping everywhere! (That’s what it felt like, anyway) I’ll let you know how it goes when the customer collects.

    outcome????

  • Lorraine Clinch

    Member
    May 19, 2009 at 3:46 pm
    quote George Elsmore:

    quote Lorraine Clinch:

    Right, that’s done!

    Weeded lovely, despite having armfuls of long narrow strips of vinyl draping everywhere! (That’s what it felt like, anyway) I’ll let you know how it goes when the customer collects.

    outcome????

    Customer hated it!!!

    Problem is, as I said before, they would be looking at it really close up. They also had problems applying it, lol.

    They aren’t impressed with the lifespan on the contravision, in fact I haven’t heard from them again, so possibly won’t get more work now 👿

    Anyway, who needs them! Ido!

    You doing OK George?

  • Cameron Steer

    Member
    May 20, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    Hi Lorraine,

    have to agree with callwild , its a window film you need , it will reflect the heat back out and reduce the glare and you will see straight through it, enough for a tractor window would be buttons compared to the time you took to cut / weed and apply. Maybe its not too late to win him back.

    All the best

  • Lorraine Clinch

    Member
    May 21, 2009 at 12:48 am

    Hi Cameron, (and all who have replied to this)

    Agreed they need a tinted film, problem is, (as I see it-and I am a tiny blip on their horizon, of course) that they
    a/ manufacture and put together the finished tractor, and are talking about getting the glass tinted in manufacture-would this cost less than film?
    b/ really do not need a teeny weeny little sign-maker to get them over their ‘blips’ where they think they can do something a bit better.

    I have, for months, fallen over backwards to do what they requested, I have designed new van livery-and applied it, supplied stickers and other stuff.

    Trouble is, almost all the work either has to be printed (so subbed out) or has a special colour, if cut vinyl.

    I have done my utmost to get them, but unfortunately I haven’t got the large set-up to keep them happy.

    My main issue with myself is that they are an export company of large farming machinery, and they are around 200 metres from my premises (and on a straight run!)

    I think they will either carry on going to the co. they have been using & are unhappy with, or will find someone else who can supply them more professionally than I can. I would really like to up my stakes, but don’t think I have the room, time or finances, at this time. (But I could easily be persuaded otherwise, with some help…)

    Gulp.
    Lorraine

  • RobStone

    Member
    May 27, 2009 at 11:04 am

    Hi Lorraine,

    Some input ‘from the horse’s mouth’, as it were….

    From your description, your customer may be thinking of a product called Brandvisors® which is applied in a strip at the top of the windscreen of, for example, Caterpillar construction vehicles.

    This product is produced by a licensed printing technology called Contra Vision® XR™ whereby (typically) self-adhesive polyester is exact register printed. This is normally applied to the inside of the window and is much more durable than exterior-applied see-through graphics produced using perforated self-adhesive pvc and so is suitable for OEM and/or long-term projects.

    From the inside the product can be seen through, and reduces solar glare and heat gain for driver comfort. On construction vehicles, the outside often looks black with the vehicle manufacturer’s name appearing in white – although anything can be printed on that side. On close examination the polyester has been printed with thin stripes.

    Lastly the formal bit…Contra Vision is a trademark of Contra Vision Ltd and should not be used as a generic description of perforated vinyl or see-through graphics – in the same way Dyson sell vacuum cleaners and not Hoovers.

    Hope that this helps.

  • Lorraine Clinch

    Member
    June 2, 2009 at 10:07 am

    Hi Rob

    Tried sending you a PM, but it had a fail error (?!)

    Would it be possible for you to provide a quote for window film at 1300mm x 520mm (max) with a small logo print to be seen from the outside – or point me to the right person to ask?

    Many thanks
    Lorraine

  • RobStone

    Member
    June 3, 2009 at 8:43 am

    Hi Lorraine,

    I suggest that you Google Contra Vision Brandvisors and go from there.

    Best regards,

    Rob

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