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  • Wall Cut Vinyl for Gallery – interesting conundrum. Please join the conversation

    Posted by Pane Talev on October 1, 2024 at 3:55 pm

    I have done a lot of work for galleries in the past 20 years. The following situation always confuses me, as wall graphics come back and bite me from time to time.

    Metamark M7 vinyl is the vinyl in question.

    Normally for this gallery, I do white and black matt.
    This sticks ok’ish for the purpose of a couple of months as the length of the exhibition… and the client is happy for many years. This time specs change.

    The colour that the client wants does not come in MATT, so I laminate the same Metamark M7-184 Mauve gloss with a MATT laminate for MD5.

    I sent the vinyl to the client.
    The client applies the vinyl.
    Vinyl is peeling off the next day.

    What changed?

    RobertLambie replied 16 hours, 58 minutes ago 5 Members · 8 Replies
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  • Colin Crabb

    Member
    October 1, 2024 at 4:27 pm

    M7-111M = matt black
    What did you laminate the M7 with?

    • Pane Talev

      Member
      October 1, 2024 at 5:52 pm

      Mauve M7-184 was laminated with MATT laminate for MD5.

  • John Hughes

    Member
    October 1, 2024 at 6:34 pm

    Hi.
    By laminating the vinyl you’re making it twice the weight but more importantly, more rigid. It won’t conform to the surface as well so instantly losing surface area for adhesion.

    When you apply vinyl to an emulsion wall, for example, you can see the wall surface show through but when laminated, the vinyl looks smooth.

    I would suggest print & cut on high tack matt.
    No need to laminate.

    • Pane Talev

      Member
      October 1, 2024 at 6:43 pm

      Bull eye! Thank you John! Much appreciated.

    • Pane Talev

      Member
      October 1, 2024 at 6:53 pm

      On another note:
      6m x 2.8m wall wrap done with removable Orafol vinyl on a smooth wall inside an office:

      Will it fail?
      Shall I install unlaminated?

      Same for a 2 colour print and cut logo 2m x 1mm:

      Will it fail?
      Shall I install unlaminated?

      Both of them are inside an office.
      The client moves out in 14 months and needs to remove prints then without damaging the wall.

      The client insists on using removable vinyl.
      Will sign a waiver.

      • Jamie Wood

        Member
        October 2, 2024 at 6:18 am

        You could possibly try Drtyac Retac, as this is specifically designed to be removed with no damage.

  • John Hughes

    Member
    October 1, 2024 at 7:45 pm

    Do a test piece first

  • RobertLambie

    Administrator
    October 7, 2024 at 10:44 am

    Hi Pane

    I am sure that Spandex does an Image Perfect range of coloured vinyl with a low-energy surface, adhesive.

    Alternatively, upgrade the vinyl series to a matt finish cast vinyl. This should help.

    Obviously, certain adhesives will not bond as well as others. However, there can be more reasons for the failure other than just the vinyls adhesive.

    The vinyl may be shrinking, which will create a surface tension pulling on an adhesive that doesn’t have a good hold. so it peels back and comes away.

    You also have different types of paint on the walls.

    The walls or the room may have different temperatures. I.E. paint brick painted plasterboard. again, both can have different effects on different vinyls and adhesives.

    As I say, there can be various reasons why you are getting varying results with your vinyl, over time.
    I would speak with your supplier and explain that you need a high-bond adhesive for difficult to bond to painted surfaces. I am sure they will have something they can recommend.

    With regard to your customer. you must point this issue out to them and charge accordingly.
    By that, I just mean that due to the surface, a higher-spec material would be advised, so if not now, then in future the price will need to be adjusted.

    It is really about using the correct tool for the job. Standard vinyls are aimed at sticking to smooth gloss surfaces, all other surfaces needs more consideration.

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