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    Posted by Martyn on October 22, 2024 at 8:20 am

    Hi folks.
    Wondering what film and thickness are commonly used for your stands?
    I’m using a thick polyester with silver backing but I’m sure I have seen people using normal banner film.
    I am having an issue at the moment with the scratching even tho they were printed 20 hrs ago (Mutoh eco-solvent).
    I used the same film on the old machine and didn’t seem to have this problem

    Martyn replied 3 months, 3 weeks ago 3 Members · 5 Replies
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  • RobertLambie

    Administrator
    October 22, 2024 at 11:56 pm

    I do not remember the name of the material we currently use, Martyn. But I am sure we buy it from either Papergraphics or Perfect Colors.

    In the past, when we had solvent printers, we would use a product called HydroSol polyester film from Paperlinx, so you could probably get that from Vink nowadays. it was a grey-backed block-out film. We never had any issues with the material, nor any problems like scratching etc.
    From memory though, I did not like how easily it could kink if handled wrong while attaching it to the cassette mechanism. This was down to the care taken, by the person working on it rather than a material fault as such, but it was something I remember that annoyed me. By that I mean, there is nothing worse than seeing a new roll-up stand erected and it has a little stress line in the film when the light shines on it.

    When we moved from solvent to Latex printers, we could still use the same material, but from the rear grey side, I could see the heat from the printer was having a bit of an effect on the film. it was no longer perfectly flat. It wasn’t too bad on the printed side but viewed from the rear, I did not like it, so I started looking for another material.
    I tried various films before settling on a thicker, grey-backed, textured anti-glare and anti-scratch film. I am sure this was from Papergraphics, at the time. It has a bit of a satin finish on the face, whereas the HydroSol had more of a sheen on its face.

    We do not do a lot of roll-up stands these days, but when we do we will use this material.
    It feels like a more durable premium film and coupled with a nice quality base, the finished stand has a much more premium feel to it than the budget stands you will see knocked out for pennies, online.

  • RobertLambie

    Administrator
    October 23, 2024 at 1:38 am

    I’m sure I have seen people using normal banner film.

    Quick answer for this…
    I would not use normal banner material unless it is only going to be used for one day!

    The banner material will begin to curl in on itself down each side over a period of about 24 hours or so.
    If there is a lot of ink coverage, this may happen much faster.

    Depending on the grade/weight of the banner and the stand base quality/weight, the stand may begin to lean forward or backward quickly, if not over a period of hours.
    Do not get me wrong, budget or faulty stands can lean forward or back, but a lightweight base and a heavy material tend to increase the problem.

    The attached picture is not one of my stands. I am just using it for reference.

  • Martyn

    Member
    October 23, 2024 at 4:45 am

    Thanks for your input rob. Been talking with my suppliers and they have come to the conclusion that its a “feature” with these, guessing they mean its prone to happen. Having done tests now its much better after 24hrs but still with the weight of your finger nail it leaves marks. Like you i rarely do these, in fact these are the first ones this year!

  • Colin Crabb

    Member
    October 23, 2024 at 7:41 am

    You haven’t changed inks at all?

    Only reason I ask, as with HP Latex, there is a ‘scratch durability difference’ between the 300series (831inks) and the 700series (832ink), anything unlaminated like roller banners tend to be printed on the 365’s using 300micron grey-backed anti-scratch for that improved durability.

    • Martyn

      Member
      October 23, 2024 at 6:11 pm

      No, same ink but newer machine.

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