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Part wrap advice needed
Hi guys,
I’ve had this “proof” come through from a designer.
I need to give a quote for the job, but not 100% sure which way to tackle it. The actual van to be done is a LWB new connect, not the transit in the proof.– 1st as usual there is just a pantone colour, so not sure if its just printed or i colour match as close to wrap film as possible.
As to doing the job, which method would you do-
-Just print as it is as one with text
– print the red, fit, then lay the black text over the top
– closest colour match wrap film, with cut of letters fitted as one
– Closest wrap film, lay the red then cut text over the top.
The back also has full red coverage with a logo in the middle.
My natural feeling, whether its printed or from the swatch, is to lay the red as one and cut text over the to,p but just want to make sure I’m not being too cautious.
Also, how much time would you allow for the job, 1 day or a day and a half?
Thanks,
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9 Replies
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Looks a bit of a faff, don’t underestimate the time.
You could lay the red a solid band, the. Overlay the black, then apply the red text at the right (the R & O bits) a separate piece too.
Cutting the text out of the red and wrapping, you’re going to need to tape the vinyl, and it will distort to some extent, overlaying you could feed it in.
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This is exactly what i was thinking. Also agree with the faff statement. Would you agree with pushing them towards a solid vinyl match rather than print?
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If it’s a solid colour then yes.
Point out that it’s easier/cheaper to replace a colour change vinyl over a print.
Imagine if they have a bump in 3 years time, and you’ve changed printers. Depending on the colour, a colour change will be more vibrant too.
Less chance of it whiting out when stretched etc.
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I let my customers know that I do not work with Pantone or other colour reference charts. Instead, I offer a selection of high-quality vehicle wrap colours sourced from top brands. Let them take their pick!
Colours:
Offer them the colours available to you from the vinyl brand and supplier you prefer to use.Colour Matching:
I charge extra for the service, and even then, you cannot guarantee you will hit their colour exactly.It is a different scenario if this was a fleet of vehicles, but one-offs or even a few vehicles, you normally find they will not be willing to pay extra for colour matching, printing, etc., especially when there are normally very close options, “off the shelf” anyway.
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As David says, cutting the wedge of solid Red, would be an easy option.
But the gloss black you lay on top might not be as shiny as the vehicle body, but would still do the job.However, cutting it as it is and fitting it, will require taping it up and being careful of the tape removal to the areas of vinyl that you need to stretch into the recesses. Even then, you will get some slight distortion of the vinyl where it has been stretched.
It is a bit of a trade-off though, depending on the size of the van, you may have to have a cut in the wedge, to make it work. If you cannot get the wedge in one full section, it might be better to do it in two sections, but lose the “panel join” within the cut text. doing this means…
* You hide/minimise a panel join.
* You still get the nice gloss black from the vehicle making up the text.
* You reduce the amount of vinyl used, as you do not need to overlay black text on 3 sides of the vehicle.Choose the installation option that you feel most confident with and manufacture the graphics to allow you to do that.
Do not get hung up on colour matching, just say you have a range of eds for them to choose from.Below shows some panel options for cutting the graphic in three sections. Yellow, Blue, Green.
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Thanks rob!
I think i will for the solid red, text over the top and the extra red letters with a join. For me this method seems less risky with less headaches. Glad yourself and david think the swatch colour option is best, i also find this less stressful and works out cheaper for the customer.
With regards to the straight edge of the block red, would you use the natural edge of the vinyl, hoping it doesn’t distort when fitting or ping some knifeless tape?
With regards to fitting time, am i right with 10-12 hours being on the cautious side. I think 1 day is too little, 2 days too much.
This is part of a bigger project, 4 locations with window graphics. The local marketing/website company is dealing with this and as you can imagine they are adding nothing to the process, just making it complicated and charging the customer for nothing. On our meeting, they suggested i can do the window graphics at these locations without window measurements :). Its seems they cant use a tape measure or don’t want to do surveys.
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Update- unfortunately i didn’t get the job. My price was 1700 euros, 11 hours fitting. They chose the job on price.
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Not sure what your material costs are over there, but your price sounds fair and reasonable. (£1425)
I would say your time estimate is about right, it probably won’t take that long to do, but it gives you scope and you don’t want to be rushing. There can be an hour plus removing the handles, trims, ply lining to get at it all, then cleaning the build up of filth, before you even start applying anything.
I know you didn’t get this job but I’ll answer your other questions.
I would knifless tape the line, you could use a laser as a guide, so you can get the positioning & angle the same on both sides, by taking measurements top & bottom. You’re also not wrestling with a big sheet of vinyl trying to keep in place so long as it covers the tape & area yours good. Not sure if there would need to be a joint either but again saves trying to align two bits if there is, and there will be no distortion in the recess.
You could do it using the factory edge, if your using a repositionable vinyl even better, no joins and plenty of excess so you only need to concentrate on that one edge. You can apply vinyl into the recess using the technique below, I have done it and it does work.
https://youtu.be/zYKVgB1J7nA?si=K1fH0XvGRu3kuIel
Its seems they cant use a tape measure or don’t want to do surveys
That’s plausible deniability, quite common with some customers. They don’t want to provide the measurements, because if they are wrong it’s an expensive and timely mistake. Maybe I am cynical but some customers are trying to shift blame of any potential mistakes. I think surveys should be chargeable, as if the survey is junk the jobs junk… Customer doesn’t want to pay they can get a tape measure but won’t because it’s then their fault when it doesn’t fit.
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Thanks David. Material costs are more here, average 10%-15%.
The solid part would have been done out of 1 piece, 3m by 1550, using the long natural edge but i am glad you answered because it appears knifeless would have been the way to go, it would definitely distort in and out of the panels.
Interesting video you attached, i never knew this was a method people used.
Well although this is not going ahead, i’ve picked learnt a few things 👍
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