Latex avery media and matching laminates

[Hugh Potter]

I use 2804 (grey back air release) with 2800 lam(I think). That’s my 5yr better quality offering.

Cheaper I offer a 3yr mono avery combo, cheap as chips.

There’s also a polymeric version too,

On the cheap I always pull the vacuum down from 25 to around 15, I find it prevents vertical banding on some cheap monos which may sag a little due to heavy vacuum / heat.

[Colin Crabb]

For our L series Latex machines:

Metamark MD3 & Laminate for flat panel work
MD5 & Laminate for vehicles
AD Young supply a lovely 100micron Vmax product for stickers

Tried other brands, but find these work the best for us, never an issue & always run smoothly.

[Martyn Heath]

Thanks for the info guys its a great help!!

One thing im still a little confused with, ok is 2804 or 2000 good enough to use into panels on a van, lay over and heat in half inch or do you really need to use 1104 cast for that? which seems a crazy leap in price.

Back in the day before wrapping was invented 🙂 when i worked for a large company avery 900 (i think) was the go to vinyl for heating into panels. Now there seems like far too many options, cast, supercast, wrap, and what doesnt help is the advertisement for cast with an example of a wrapped mini. :rollseyes: maybe its just me

[John Lyus]

I use Avery vinyls almost exclusively. The real stand out vinyl for me has always been Avery 3002. It is removable for up to 2 years. But we have removed it long after that. It very rarely leaves any glue. Also 3000, These are both the same face stock and therefore profiles. These are 3-5 yr. In the UK I am sure that you would get longer. The matching laminates are DOL 3000, and in either Gloss or matte. We use both. Eventually the 3000 lam will turn brown and shrink. If vinyls have to stay outdoors for a very long time (and don’t forget we have a very harsh environment) then I use DuPont Tedlar. There is nothing like it. 20 years! Look it up. It is not cheap though and hard to find. Another great all-round vinyl is 3M IJ-35. Air egress, and satin lam.
I also use Avery 800 vinyls and sometimes 900. 700 series I only used when we have to. For wrapping Avery Mpi1005 and Supreme wrap films are always my first choice.

I always err on the side of quality. Vinyls are the cheapest part of the job here. Labour much more expensive. Doing the job twice, very costly.

[John Lyus]

quote Martyn Heath:

Thanks for the info guys its a great help!!

One thing im still a little confused with, ok is 2804 or 2000 good enough to use into panels on a van, lay over and heat in half inch or do you really need to use 1104 cast for that? which seems a crazy leap in price.

Back in the day before wrapping was invented 🙂 when i worked for a large company avery 900 (i think) was the go to vinyl for heating into panels. Now there seems like far too many options, cast, supercast, wrap, and what doesnt help is the advertisement for cast with an example of a wrapped mini. :rollseyes: maybe its just me

I would not put anything over a vehicle other than full cast, unless it didn’t go into valleys or around compound curves.
All vinyl shrinks, Calendered vinyl much more so than Cast. Monomeric are worse than Polymeric. Using a cast lam over a cheap base isn’t a good idea, the base vinyl will still shrink, although maybe less so. Use the best, do it once and do it right. No comebacks. Charge a bit more and explain to the customer why. There are lots of shit jobs around, don’t make the mistake over trying to go cheap. Post heating is very necessary depending on the vinyl chosen will change the amount of heat required. Here in Western Australia, it isn’t unusual to have a vehicle hit 85 deg C in summer. It won’t get any hotter though. We have measured and tested this.

Hope this helps.

[Martyn Heath]

quote John Lyus:

quote Martyn Heath:

Thanks for the info guys its a great help!!

One thing im still a little confused with, ok is 2804 or 2000 good enough to use into panels on a van, lay over and heat in half inch or do you really need to use 1104 cast for that? which seems a crazy leap in price.

Back in the day before wrapping was invented 🙂 when i worked for a large company avery 900 (i think) was the go to vinyl for heating into panels. Now there seems like far too many options, cast, supercast, wrap, and what doesnt help is the advertisement for cast with an example of a wrapped mini. :rollseyes: maybe its just me

I would not put anything over a vehicle other than full cast, unless it didn’t go into valleys or around compound curves.
All vinyl shrinks, Calendered vinyl much more so than Cast. Monomeric are worse than Polymeric. Using a cast lam over a cheap base isn’t a good idea, the base vinyl will still shrink, although maybe less so. Use the best, do it once and do it right. No comebacks. Charge a bit more and explain to the customer why. There are lots of (oh i swore !) jobs around, don’t make the mistake over trying to go cheap. Post heating is very necessary depending on the vinyl chosen will change the amount of heat required. Here in Western Australia, it isn’t unusual to have a vehicle hit 85 deg C in summer. It won’t get any hotter though. We have measured and tested this.

Hope this helps.

Hi john, thanks for the detailed reply its very helpful. Yes totally agree with using higher grade of materials as im also based in a harsh climate (finland) a little bit opposite to yours :). Winter is always interesting to try and make a living when temps can reach -30c. Rapid tac has helped but this is only good in sensible conditions upto -10c, plus my fingers cant stand anything much colder than that anyway.

So its looking like i should stock 3 main grades of print media and matching lams:

monomeric for small stickers and labels

polymeric for everything, signs and within flat panels on vehicles

and cast for those jobs that need a bit of heating in.

Its starting to turn into an expensive stock room :shocked: but this is obv part of the game. Im sure once my printer turns up we will be getting through 50m logs like toilet paper.