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Imageperfect 2d wrap film failure
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</div><div>Hi guys. I did this hallf wrap Sept 2019. Today i was parked up next to it and had a check over my work. I noticed the rear right door has popped out of the panel recess, about an inch all the way.
I cant be having that and will be phoning the company tomorrow to bring it in for changing. Now i dont know the facts yet as to when it popped out but i was once told by a supplier that if the failure happens within around 3-4 months then its fitting error, after this period of time is media. Is there any truth in this?.
Now i do remember this rear door well as it was scortching hot, 27c roughly and the film went like chewing gum. Could this come into play? Or maybe i just fucked up.
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Pretty sure that’s a hybrid film mate, if I recall it was available at 1600 wide so definitely not a cast.
I don’t rate any of these hybrid films to be honest, just a half decent poly & not something I’d sleep easy with in a recess. I certainly won’t be ordering any again. Fair play for changing it without the client complaining but I wouldn’t replace it with anything less than a cast
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Thanks kev. The film is sold as a 2d wrap film which is cast and suitable for standard recesses and single step situations. Spec wise more than capable of achieving this job i have job.
Maybe i will just stock 1104 or slx and be done with it. Atleast then if theres issues i know its 100% me.
As a man who does plenty of wrap work, do you ever see failures on your work? i know you use 1104/1105
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Never tried 1104 Martyn, i prefer 1105, a truly brilliant material but will use 3Mij180 & have just used Arlon SLX. 1520mm is the maximum width for a cast mate, Image Perfect is a polymeric & I would not put that into an internal recess without a relief cut if you had a gun at my head. It’s half the price for good reason mate. The reps have training days on new films so should be aware of the limitations of the materials they sell. If they tell you its a cast wrap, they’re mistaken or under pressure to shift more of it.
Had my fair share of failures with vinyls over the years which brought me to the conclusion that nothing good comes cheap & nothing cheap comes good. No shortcuts or half measures are worth the worry or headaches for a hundred quid saving. Proper cast for proper money or fake wrap with cuts, up to the client but they can’t have champagne for coca cola money
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This reply was modified 4 years ago by Kevin Mahoney.
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This reply was modified 4 years ago by
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Hi Martyn
As mentioned this film is a calendared polymeric and it’s going to shrink and pop out of recesses. Stick with cast, fit it correctly and you have no problems. In my opinion there are to many companies promoting polymeric wrap vinyls. And the only reason they do this is because they don’t manufacture cast vinyls themselves, so to keep manufacturing in house they produce soft polymeric.
How this works is they buy in calendared film from one supplier , then the release liner from another and the adhesive from another. They stick it all together and convert into rolls
The likes of Orafol / Avery / Hexis / Arlon also do the above with the added value they have casting lines. Where the vinyl starts off as a liquid and then is cast onto a casting sheet.
There are only calendared vinyls and cast vinyls
ImagePerfect 2578PA 2D Wrap SuperGlide is a high performance, super soft polymeric vinyl 50 micron
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This reply was modified 4 years ago by Graham Scanlan.
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Thanks for the detailed replies kevin and Graham. Sounds like the slap in the face i needed.
Feel very let down with my sales rep, i’d had lengthy discussions with him regarding this film and he assured me how good it was for simple wraps like this to lorry wraps.
So what exactly is the point in these films then? maybe they stand up to being fed in and out of recesses better but dont seem to be able to be treated like a cast and heated/stretched.
Anyway i spoke to the customer last night. Hes very happy for it to be corrected. The details from him were that after a few weeks a small bubble appeard and it stayed like this until the winter then it all popped out.
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No slap in the face intended Martyn, I’m sure there are people out there that swear by these vinyls, my own opinion of them is that they aren’t worth a toss & certainly not worth the increased cost of a regular decent polymeric. All vinyls are good for a single step recess but for how long? A month is pointless, they always fail because they just aren’t fit for purpose
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cheers mate 👍
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What’s your usual daily use material Martyn?
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My standard printable film is IP2556. I use this for everything from small stickers to large signs and vehicle graphics on flat panels. Its a polymeric and ive had no problems.
I used to use MPI2000.
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IP2503 is my preferred material other than wrap, not their cheapest vinyl but will easily cope with a door handle scoop for years. I wouldn’t put it into a single step without a relief cut but it’s as good as all of these fake wrap offerings around
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i will have a look into this film. IP only came here a year or so ago and they seem to be drip feeding the range into the market. Just checked, they only stock the matt version atm
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Doesn’t matter if you use gloss lam Martyn but I would recommend Avery 1105 for anything across a recessed panel, I always keep a roll in stock. Were the back doors full coverage or contour cut?
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Ye they dont have gloss laminate, only matt vinyl and lam on offer. Id love to stock 1105 but its 900 euros a roll plus lam. I think im heading slx direction, for a grand i can get the bundle.
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Martyn, Avery also produce MPI 1104 easy apply and they have just launched speed master
Compare those prices with MPI1105ears and you should see a great saving
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Yes ive used 1104 on the rear of my van. it did the job well. Its the same price as SLX so not sure how the two compare.
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With regards to the relief cut method, do you hand cut along the panel edge or use cut filament in the recess to relieve tension once vinyl is applied?
Do you think a relief cut would have prevented this failure? Its not something ive ever done as i assumed the film could do the job.
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I cut by hand personally, I know it’s frowned upon but never had any issues (company I trained with back in the day used to make you stretch vinyl over the back of your hand & when you could cut it without leaving a trace of a scratch on your hand, you could cut on the vehicle. They shall remain nameless ) my lad uses knifeless tape. It will shrink back 2 or 3mm over time but better than the bubble. Good polymeric will take a little stretch but bear in mind that it isn’t a cast so try not to cheat with heat. Feed in & cut the deep corner of the channel. The issue is, we are trying to give the client everything they want with whatever budget they choose. Only one winner there, I’ve given up trying to work miracles for them, news spreads & we end up being busy fools
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This reply was modified 3 years, 12 months ago by Kevin Mahoney.
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Cutting on the hand is a great idea 🙂 i will try this on the wife until i get good at it. Do you still relief cut when using 1105?
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No need for that with 1105 mate
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This reply was modified 3 years, 12 months ago by
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Martyn, I just have to say, aside from the issues, that is a really nice looking wrap! Shame about the fail, but big kudos to you for contacting the company before they came to you with a complaint.
It has been said everybody makes mistakes, but its the way you sort them out that makes a great business!-
Thanks simon! Problem is you dont always hear about the issues, customers here often talk with their feet
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