Composite board pricing

[Hugh Potter]

re composite panels,

for whole sheets I will generally charge 2x the cost price, so an 8×4 of skybond (around £50?) would be around £100 retail, then however you charge your vinyl and installation time on top.

always list installation time separately – quite often the customer will want to save my £25ph installatioin charge and fit themselves… suits me as it gives me more time in the workshop making money instead of tied up on jobs!

[David Hammond]

I’d do as Hugh.

With the vinyl i’d work out how my meters, mark up the cost, then guestimate the time to weed, tape and apply.

I don’t bother with pricing per letter.

[Adrian Hewson]

£120 per board plus VAT fitted and we are in Fife

[Martin Pearson]

Thanks guys, gives me something to think about.

Adrian, yes I know your in Fife, you forget John use to work with me

[Martin Cole]

quote Adrian Hewson:

£120 per board plus VAT fitted and we are in Fife

😮 Seems incredibly cheap Adrian.

my price would be around £220 exc vat and fitting, but probably wouldn’t get the job 🙁 😉

[Adrian Hewson]

Material cost £22 so double it £44.00 40 mins to apply vinyl to board so £35 for labour, 40 mins to fit to wall so another £35 round it up to £120 per board, would be £220 if we were not doing six at once

[Martin Pearson]

Adrian, you obviously get a MUCH bigger discount on composite, well probably everything the amount you will be spending compared to me.

Martin, I thought it was cheap as well even for 6. Not having a clue where to start with pricing certain jobs I haven’t done for a long time like this one I would have quoted a bit higher & then probably lost the job because I was to expensive.
Customers wanting other stuff done as well which I am ok with pricing, should be a good job to get even at the prices Adrian quoted for the boards.

[Warren Beard]

I’d be same as Martin, not sure what composite you use but your sell price is less than my cost price, maybe time I shook the trees to see if any rotten apples fall out 😕

[Adrian Hewson]

LOL Martin get the boards signed up by us and you do the install.

We buy al comp at £18.50 per sheet delivered (by the pallet)

[Kevin Flowers]

Hi all
i’m guessing at £18.50 a sheet we are talking hoarding grade composite, which is something i would not use on this type of sign unless i was doing it as a print job.
The whiteness & finish of the hoarding is not acceptable for this type of job

Kev

[Adrian Hewson]

Use about 1 pallet 92 sheets white 8 by 4 a month 1 pallet 80 sheets white 10 by 5 every two months

Main difference with hoarding panel to standard sign version is hoarding panel is only one sided and as we always stick it to something whats on the back it doesnt matter ??

[Kev Cringle]

Hi all cant open the file to see what the design is but i would normally be about £220 for an 8×4 but every job and customer i treat a little diff it could be £280 to the wrong or rite customer depending which way you look at it 🙂

Kev

[Robert Lambie]

Robert Horne do hoarding board at about £22.50 per sheet from memory.
Amari do 5 sheets of hoarding for £100.

I use hoarding as a replacement for any sort of foamex type sheet material.
if its cheap as chips then that’s what i would give them.

based on hoarding and oracal 551 i would be about £150+vat each. however, laying up with a rolls roller in one hit would take max 5 minutes to letter each board.

price is based on the 6 also…

personally ide try a better grade composite and also increase the price around to martins suggestion or higher, but basing this as competative as possible for you.

[Martin Pearson]

quote Adrian Hewson:

Use about 1 pallet 92 sheets white 8 by 4 a month 1 pallet 80 sheets white 10 by 5 every two months

Main difference with hoarding panel to standard sign version is hoarding panel is only one sided and as we always stick it to something whats on the back it doesnt matter ??

Not sure that is true Adrian, I was always led to believe that the hoarding board had a thinner skin than the normal sign version.
Can we have some clarification on this from a supplier.

Kevin I am with you in that the hoarding board I have seen & used is an off white & I believe matt finish.
No I wasn’t thinking of using hoarding for this job if I did get it.

[Adrian Hewson]

I would think 99% of boards we supply are full colour print and laminate or print direct for inside. We have never once had a compalint.

[Martin Pearson]

I’m not saying your doing anything wrong Adrian, the size of your business would suggest your doing things right.

Just from what I have been told by suppliers the differences between the 2 types of board is not just down to the powder coating.

[David Hammond]

As per my RHG pricelist

Hoarding Panel – 0.150 Skin
Target ACM – 0.275 Skin
Sky Bond – .3 Skin

[Adrian Hewson]

sorry guys

We only use composite panel flat on walls (we do not make sign trays)
We nearly always cover with full colour prints so the colour of the board does not matter.

I would be interested to see any proof of reduction in practicality of use for our above applications.

We have in the past used 3mm aluminium in fact I think we did one recently for a bridge, this is about £110 per 8 by 4 we used aluminium because we needed the strength of aluminium to rivet the sign (very long term use)

[Martin Pearson]

I don’t do a lot of printed work Adrian, for one I don’t have a printer, two if I did it would cost me a fortune to put in the required heating in the unit & three I very rarely get asked for it.

From my point of view the biggest problem with hoarding board is not the skin thickness but the colour, it’s an off white & matt finish. Because all I am doing is cad cut vinyl then you do see a lot of the board.
I do use it though as a lower cost option for customers, if they are happy with the colour & finish & are working on a budget then thats ok with me.

[Adrian Hewson]

Hey Martin not a problem you do what you want, I dont have an issue at all. If I had any customer complaints I would change, if you ever need anything printed in a hurry let me know and the guys will do it for you, We have 3 wide format solvent printers, one flatbed UV two wide format paper printers and wide format photo printer

[Martin Pearson]

Do you do a lot of work with the paper & photo printers Adrian? I’ve got one but it doesn’t get used very much at all, that’s the main reason I never looked at solvent or eco solvent, I would spend more time clearing the head than printing because it hadn’t had enough use.
Had a few prints from John Young but tend to just stick to vinyl as it’s easier for me.

[Hugh Potter]

Hi Martin,

cheap boards are available but, they normally have that dull matt finish you mention, panels such as robert hornes ‘skybond’ and proper dibond, have a nice gloss white finish on one side, matt on the other.

I’ve certainly found that there’s a big difference in quality. the cheaper boards will also bend easier… not always in a good way.

[Adrian Hewson]

Hi Martin we have two HP Designjet 1050 which we print a lot of A0 posters mainly for sky tv and design agencies, we have a epson 7880 which we do photo englarging and we also use it for t shirt prints, but we also offer standard paper printing we have two digital presses on which we print the Raith Rovers, Fife Flyers and KRFC programmes on also, great fro menus flyers bus cards etc